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Caution: Voregence - unprofessional conduct
armaina commented on Rionquosue's record in Artist Cautions
You've stated that you will be making some updates to your ref and that's a good thing, but please be certain to give any emphasis on your ref that you consider Must Have. If there is anything to your character you find you must have, no exceptions, make that clear on your ref. I understand your eagerness after the wait but filing a charge-back after only an hour's wait is completely unreasonable. I even find the act of sending an ultimatum after only 24 hours to be out of hand on your part. And you clearly don't understand now menstrual pain can be for some people, because if you did, you wouldn't have pulled the hammer after only an hour. For some people the pain can be as bad as kidney pain and will literally make a person bedridden, which the artist in question did give an example of it's severity. It's as good as being sick. You don't have to answer this, but consider for a moment, if she said she had been ill, would you have been this impatient? Would you have still expected a reply within an hour or would you have been more lenient? While I wouldn't go so far as to say your filing a charge-back is blackmail, it is underhanded. I can see why the artist made the journal in question, which does not name you in any way, and in submitting this you've outed yourself. It's not exactly professional to vent in a public journal about a client even unnamed, but I'm at least sympathetic to the artists' frustration due to your strong-arm tactics, and I can see the journal has since been removed. I can concede that the wait without contact isn't good, and that at the very least she should have noted that the were 3 spikes in the ref, but everything else after that? That's all on you. -
On May 22nd 2018 (could be a couple days before i don't remember if i paid the same day as the commission request) i approached this artist for a commission of me and a friend. all went good and we spoke about the details, i paid 85 USD and they would get started, ofcourse it could be that they had a list going on but i didn't see it on their page so i just waited. I am not someone who send a lot of notes if i get updates but i didn't hear anything in a while so i noted the artist to ask how the commission was coming along ( wich you can see in screenshot "Note 1 and the only reply i got") i thought they would send me the WIP so i thought nothing much of it, looking back i should have asked myself to send the screenshot. i also wanted to respect the fact they were taking care of medical issues for their mother. after another while i send another note to wich i didn't get a reply so i thought they were just busy. after another amount of send notes to wich i didn't get any reply (wich you can see in "the notes with dates, unread note and my last notes" i have no idea what i did to get a silent treatment as the only things i said can be seen here in the notes ( maybe i was to blunt ? i don't know) friends recommended me i should make an artist beware. i also can't get my money back since i waited to long to ask for a refund and the limit on the refund for paypal is over too already. I also know they are pretty active on their discord server and do regular freebies and requests. Here is my paypal transcript showing i really paid for it. I can't get a hold of them as they do not even read my notes. At this point i'm really not sure what to do, should i keep reaching out or just accept the fact i won't be getting art or any money back ?
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Man, I'm sorry to hear this... I'm going through the same thing with her rn. In exchange for $90 and her current business logo design, I was promised a plush sent before Xmas 2018 for my best friend. (Paid for rush fee and in a nice lil present box) I think I got one progress pic and it was deleted from our insta chat?? My buyer protection was gunna run out so I asked for a refund and recharge. She said yes but when it came time to it, I heard nothing, so I filed a dispute and she silently refunded and recharged me without so much as a word about it. I took screenshots of everything as well cause she just immediately came of as rude and fishy... idk if I should try to confront her about this or just file a dispute.... These screenshots are the last contact I've had with her (which was months ago)
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Paid for a Commission to Olivedrake for a Two character (Recipient's sona and my own) color digital commission. Poses and setting were left up to the artist to choose. Payment also included cost to cover a package to be sent, however artist only used $15 of the provided $50. Agreed amount was decided and payment was sent on February 21st. Artist works two jobs and I was aware of that, and was understanding of that. Paypal payment shown below. I continued to ask about the commission (as well as the package) off and on during the following months, since the artist is bad at proactively keeping her clients up to date on what is going on. May 28th, 2019: Package was sent at a cost of $15.58. Less then half the $50 originally sent. May 30th, 2019: She had sent the package I asked her about it as well as the commission and she said she was going to use what was left from the package to send another one later on. She also stated that it would "take her a little longer to work on art", however she did not say if this meant she had started the commission or not. Simply that it takes her a little longer to work on art. No Work in Progresses or sketches had been sent to me at this point, nor had visual updates been provided from her. As she continued to say "I've been busy with work and haven't been able to work on it yet" until this point. Something I was not privy to prior to paying for the commission was that she has a health condition that becomes inflamed due to pushing herself too far in Art College. June 6th, 2019: Went to message her and ask how she was doing, and found out she had blocked and removed me on Telegram, Discord and had blocked my phone number on her phone. There was no indication of a problem from her and no issues with hearing back from her nor getting a hold of her until this point. Here is the Telegram Chat. She also cleared the entire Telegram chat history, thus preventing me from getting any documentation from program. I have no way of getting my money back as of now. Paypal was unable to help (due to the artist asking that I use personal payment to pay for the costs) and Paypal instructed me to go to my bank. My bank was also unable to assist me because they can no longer help their customers with a dispute after 60 days. I hope this Beware will help others avoid losing money to this artist like I did. Please do not support or buy from this artist, unless you wish to risk throwing your income down the drain. Don't make the same mistake I did.
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I'd like to confirm that the artist has now in-fact sent over the refund. The following image provided proof that they have. This Artist Beware report can be closed/resolved if the Moderation team feels like this is a acceptable time to do so. Thank you to those in the Mod team who worked with me on all this. Thanks to you the artist reached out to me and I got the money I had sent them back. I appreciate your help.
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I ended up commissioning based on word of mouth and seeing his turn out. Just seems that I may have been a bit to premature in that decision, unfortunately so.
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The same thing happened with my boyfriend when he commissioned him. He at one point told my boyfriend that he works on commissions in no particular order and will work on what he feels like when he feels like it. He made it sound like he only works on stuff that's he's interested in. So if he doesn't like your idea I guess you might be waiting for a long time. I also remember that he did not provide a sketch for approval and only provided line work, and when my boyfriend asked for changes Strype wanted an additional $75 because he does the line work by hand and would have to "start over" to make any changes. He waited about 3 months before asking another update then trying to obtain a refund. The two of them eventually worked it out and my boyfriend got his money back and agreed to let Strype keep $75 for the line work he did. It was a terribly painful ordeal. For someone as popular as Strype not having a ToS baffled me, I was immediately concerned when I could not find any traces when I went digging around for them during my boyfriends ordeal. I feel for you, and for anyone who has (or currently is) dealing with his random policies and aloofness. TL;DR Boyfriend had similar issues with the artist that resulted in the artist losing their cool. Ditto on the "I urge you to stay away from this artist at all costs, at the very least until they possess a ToS to prevent what happened to me, from happening to you."
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@kurothepone to @kurovrchat to @kurolatex to @kurooof to @kurosuccubuss to @kurosuccubusVR Accepted a commission from this dude. He commented on my art one day, decided to look at his FA profile since I'd never seen it before. whatever. , I noticed that he was having thoughts of selling his character. had commisioner in the past was having falling out w/he community while commission was in queue, I ended up refunding them b/c didn't want to deal with the drama, honestly thought it be best if that was how it ended. This is commisino he wants for me thats his character that he wants me to draw. the same one hes selling. didnt want to deal w/the possibility that by the time i reach his comm in queue (~200 from my pi day sale) i'd have to be dealing with a new owner who maynt like the commission or whatever this is the response i got after chnging his twittler handle multiple times he threatens to dox me for posting my negative experience w/him on twitter after which, he did dox me on my public post and then threatened me more in dms which i have legal grounds to have him arrested for. however, he deleted my twitter messages. idk if this is twitter or if it's b/c i blocked him but all messages i sent him and he sent me are gone. i do have the emails that twitter has sent to me of each dm he sent, though, so if he continues, i will contact law enforcement in germany regarding his blatant violation of the law. please dont support bad behaviour like this. after which, he did dox me on my public post and then threatened me more in dms which i have legal grounds to have him arrested for. however, he deleted my twitter messages. idk if this is twitter or if it's b/c i blocked him but all messages i sent him and he sent me are gone. i do have the emails that twitter has sent to me of each dm he sent, though, so if he continues, i will contact law enforcement in germany regarding his blatant violation of the law. please dont support bad behaviour like this.
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One thing that jumps out at me is there was never any mention of an extra $10 for processing payment, only the cost of $100. The +$10 for covering fee should, in my opinion, be eaten from the $100 owed, considering lack of prior agreement. It's never a good idea to send or post the full image before payment, and use watermarks, like writing "unpaid" on it so the person can't just use it and not need to pay. By posting it on DA, unmarked, they no longer have any reason to try funding you for something you've done. In future, I recommend trying to get paid before moving past an approved sketch, if not taking the money up front. Though, being unable to get a guaranteed refund may scare potential clients away from commissioning you.
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I have been a patron of SourShock's for nearly two years and have come to known them throughout my time as a patron to be very aggressive about taking large amounts of commissions with very little timely yield. In December, Sour was hosting a sort of fast sketch sale over Picarto, and I purchased a fetish piece for myself and a friend as a Christmas gift featuring our characters having sex in a locker room for $50.00. I had a falling out with that friend so the character ended up replaced, but I never even received a sketch for this piece as far as I can recall and stopped hearing from Sour for several months sometime at the end of last year. I finally got fed up enough to ask them about the commission. They had previously said in her Discord server not to ask about WIPs and so I was doing my best to obey that rule, but it occurred to me an update wouldn't come without me inquiring. When I inquired with Sour (and mind you, this inquiry also contained several subsequent inquiries about five other commissions, one of which was made in October of 2017 and had been followed-up with extensively by me up until the WIP enforcement) I received some very aggressive excuses about their ability to complete work in a timely fashion and how I would not be able to receive a refund because it had already been "started". I told them I really wanted the piece by May 15th or I would be posting a Beware and pursuing a Paypal refund. They said I would be able to receive it and the first piece in that timely interval (this inquiry was in March) but it would mean a significant reduction in quality. As you can see, I've waited to submit the Beware. And well, they made true on their word. I got both pieces on May 14th at around 6:00 PM, and the first was extremely disappointing. The second, my character's skin color wasn't even right and the lighting looked rushed. I am not satisfied with this work after spending so long pursuing it. I urge you not to do business with them. I regret giving them so much of my money already knowing I will probably never see those comms. The reduction in quality is evident. The piece looks rushed and mostly unfinished. Completed image: WIP image: Note the poor background Examples of other sketch commissions: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/26325014/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/25218125/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/24451194/ My character's swatches:
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That's their problem, not yours. And technically nobody has bought it because the price to be paid was never delivered, so they're just paying for art for someone else's character - realistically speaking. I'd call them out on their discord because what they're doing is not cool, and maybe that will jerk them back into reality - where you pay for the stuff you want (via money or otherwise). I'd give them a deadline, and if still no response just offer the character up for sale again - maybe nobody bites, maybe someone does, but until the art is delivered as promised it's still your character. Doesn't look like they're going to give you the art to me though, especially if they're making a point of ignoring you (also - who gets art of a character they haven't even paid off yet??).
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The lack of a public queue, and the oversaturation of the private queue is a big hoo-eyyyy... No good. It is a beware well-warranted in regards to their practices, and they should be rightfully avoided. And while you are in the right to be frustrated with the situation as a whole, the artist was at the very least, transparent with you about the quality of the work you were going to get after the confrontation. In accepting the art you have shown in this post, I personally think it is null and void to bring up the quality of the work when the artist was clear they were going to rush your pieces within the timeframe given. It doesn't make them come off any better, but when pressed to produce something after leaving commissioners hanging, this is often the outcome a lot of people see. In this case, the artist flat-out told you what you were going to get. And, really, unless we have a reference of your character to compare the images you got with? I don't think there's much of a point to put the color swatches up as a point of contention with the art pieces you got. One of them is cel-shaded, while the other seems to have full render with ambient lighting, it isn't going to be one-to-one with whatever reference you've given. And not every artist may use the exact palette depending on how they will render the work. This is a rather, well, sour situation, but they were still up front with what you ended up getting.
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I sincerely hope, for your sake, that if they finish the commission, that it isn't rushed at all. For three plus years, that better be a quality product coming out of them because anything less is going to reflect poorly on them and their existing queue.
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I commissioned Onnanoko back at midwest furfest in December for a surprise badge. We had contact on telegram the day I commissioned so I could send her my ref/examples of art and that was the only time we had communication. I've tried to reach out to her on telegram and through e-mail multiple times and haven't heard anything back. I don't have a receipt as I paid her in cash at the con.
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So initially I commissioned them in April for a head base to be finished. It needed a nose, eyes, ears, and fur. We moved to telegram from here on and that’s when problems began to arise. They didn’t contact me at all until June when I asked about ventilation Bc of my health issues. I had to initiate the conversation. She promised me Tomu would be done in time for megaplex since she had since April. And it was a Premade base. Little did I know I was a ‘weekend’ project. Which I wasn’t told until I looked at their Trello. I began to text more frequently since, as you can see, I got little to no communication until July. And they hadn’t done a thing. This was when I realized Tomu would not be done. And I would have to wait. So eventually I decided to ask about a refund. Little did I know their financial issues were of their own doing. They used my commission money for non-commission related things. So In the span of 4 months all she had for me was a nose. They told me they didn’t even have the fur for my fursuit. Which I don’t understand as I paid them in April and this is in August. So where did my money go? I got rather upset when I saw her posting about me. So I finally set my foot down. After six months of torturous waiting and run around. I They began to ‘warn’ people about me. And that’s when I blocked and moved on when I got my money back. I got $700 out of the $800 I paid. Anyway we came to somewhat of an agreement. Until I finally began reading people who are to this day still awaiting refunds. Years of waiting. So I did a chargeback.
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I can unfortunately verify with my own personal experience with Harpbeats/WolframKyo, as I took a $40 flat-color bust commission from her in February 2018, and was not fully refunded for it until September 2018. Unfortunately, the emails I had with her have long since been cleared out of my Gmail account, but I can verify much of your problems personally with my own. Same exact problems too, such as... Long queue that is never directly shown until after it's asked for. Queue isn't updated promptly upon taking new commissions New commissions sitting for months past promised Lack of prompt communication Taking MORE commissions onto her already long queue Suspicious regularity in financial troubles, immediately followed by adding more commissions onto the queue. My commission was one in over a hundred on her Trello during the year of 2018. Several of my friends who were earlier in the queue didn't even receive theirs until long after I'd been refunded for mine. Interesting that she now has a "no refund" policy. That wasn't the case in 2018. I would highly suggest avoiding WolframKyo like the plague. She's either incredibly negligent in her management of her own pace, or at worst, she's deliberately being deceptive about her commissions.
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it looks like Craig and Wolfram are pretty active on social media, so def try and see if Craig could help you out. I think I saw them advertising commissions via tumblr if I'm not mistaken.
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Beware: Feyvaras/ AmberGroves/ PunkyPanda/ ZappBeast
Sarahcat commented on MAWMATOMU's record in Artist Bewares
I don't see a TOS, and I don't know what theirs says, but they can't keep the 30% non-refundable (assuming) downpayment and not give you anything in return. It's illegal to keep money and not provide a product. They can either refund you the remaining amount or give you the materials purchased, they don't get to keep that. Seconding that the side chatter is harmless. Feyvaras shouldn't be taking money if clients asking about updates stresses them out so badly that they can't work, that's not right, and the "I can't eat/sleep" comments are guilt tripping. It's not the client's fault they can't keep things together and they need to learn to manage their time/money/health better. -
Beware: Feyvaras/ AmberGroves/ PunkyPanda/ ZappBeast
UAZ469 commented on MAWMATOMU's record in Artist Bewares
I agree that you don't buy an artist's friendship by commissioning them. Pretty sure everyone does. But I've read the above post and I think that the amount of friendly chatter is pretty "harmless". Especially since the artist himself got quite personal later on in order to explain his own situation. Personally I think a bit friendly chatter here and there just to create a friendly atmosphere is okay (Just like some staff members do at some stores) as long as it doesn't get out of hand and the majority is still focused on the commission. In the end we're humans, not robots. -
Beware: Feyvaras/ AmberGroves/ PunkyPanda/ ZappBeast
Hiccupby commented on MAWMATOMU's record in Artist Bewares
I remember when this plus the other beware appeared on Twitter. Their treatment of both of you has been abhorrent. I'm glad that you at least got your refund and I'm sorry you've been treated this way. It absolutely is NOT okay to talk about clients like that publically or even in most cases privately unless you're asking for advice. Something else that stuck out to me as a massive red flag is that they did not use your payment to buy the required materials and instead waited and used someone else's payment down the road to do so. -
On August 1st I saw an adverstiment posted in the Megaplex 2018 artist chat for Tiki Badges. I contacted Nya and asked to be added and paid $25 for one. They said that mine might not get done until later after the convention which I was fine with. After this is was harder and harder to get a hold of them. The last time I heard from them was October of 2018. After they dropped out of contact I searched for their twitter and found it hadn’t been touched since late 2018. I now am at a loss on how to find them but seeing as Telegram reports them as active within the last week, I’m assuming they’re ghosting me.
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You mention you've not had a lot of experience in getting commission work of your characters, but you seem to have a very good sense of what is or isn't good business as you were very spot on in every point you made. (also a little fistbump for sticking up for your previous commission work's artist) Almost nothing about this is appropriate for the artist to handle this commission. From the solicitation to the very end, every step was so poorly made on their part. Any artist that has been doing commission work for some time should be using invoices for everything. It helps the artist keep it organized, it gives the clients a much more reliable paper trail of what they commissioned. And that's before even getting into the matter that specifically requesting a client to pay for or avoid the transaction fee, is a direct violation of PayPal's policy. I'd highly suggest avoiding any artist in the future that insists on Friends and Family payment. I'm also floored that they blame you for the lack of updates. They could have at any point left you a message, Discord doesn't just reject messages for people that are offline, it even lets you know if a message didn't go through so it's not like there would be any ambiguity. They could have cut off the piece, asked you for clarification, anything, but they didn't put in any of their own due diligence in ensuring the work was accurate or that they judged their own time appropriately. "No artist wants to see what another artist drew in regards to a commission" This statement is the one that I just can't get my head around. This is clearly a person that has very little experience in doing commission work outside of video game characters. I assure you, everything about that statement is not true, so much of my work and other's work relies heavily on other artists' renditions of the characters and unique characters will have refsheets drawn by another artist. Knowing what you like about how another artist drew your character helps the next artist know what to shoot for in their piece, and even knowing what didn't turn out quite right, can help the next artist know what to avoid. All I can hope is that they learn from this in order to better conduct themselves and gauge their time in the future.
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Thanks Rendrassa. I'll keep that in mind and my apologies if I've offended you with that way of thinking. It was more out of fear and overthinking that came to that toxic conclusion. But I'll keep that in mind ?
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Oh it can absolutely be nerve wracking to take the initiative on that sorta thing! I've been there myself, but at the end of the day, the artist is running a business (and if they don't treat it as such? definitely look elsewhere for someone who will actually take their work seriously!) and they should have no reason to be nasty if a client is keeping things on the up and up! You paid for a service, and you are within your rights to ask for progress or if there's delays in the process. Some artists may take a negative approach, but if they get nasty when you just ask a question, it will reflect poorly on them and not you. And nine times outta ten, even if the work is nice, it tends to be tainted by the bad experience had by the artist you worked with. You did nothing to warrant their mistreatment, so don't be afraid to stick up for yourself in the future! There's always others out there that will be more than willing to take you up on a future commission <:
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Oof exactly I was so confused by all that they were saying I had to ask around in a bunch of chats I was in just to make sure I was correct; it was so ridiculous that I just needed to double check XD I'll definitely try to keep an eye out if that sketch ends up anywhere; I don't know his usernames for any other art websites so it's unlikely I'll find anything unfortunately, but I'm just happy it was only a sketch and not a full drawing. If anything further happens, I'll definitely post an update.
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