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  1. Yes but unfortunately the costs a civil case like this would be far more than the cost of the commission itself.
  2. Howdy! Last year we added the option to utilize adspace on Artists Beware. Unfortunately, the original iteration of this system was clunky and required individuals to manually email us. On top of that, users couldn't access their own statistics and they had to be sent out manually by me. I am embarrassed to say that I have dropped the ball in being punctual, and sometimes have forgotten to send out emails all together. For the new year, I've decided to overhaul how our ad system works. Now Advertisers will gain access to their Client Portal, which will list their active campaigns' stats. You will need an account with us in order to purchase ad space, but this is only so you may access your stats. The system is entirely automated. All I have to do is make sure your ad doesn't violate our ad guidelines prior to approving it. Also, individuals who have an active campaign via our new system will have a different user title while their campaign is active. This user title will grant you a small discount when purchasing campaigns. These campaigns can be for yourself or for a friend. For those who have supported us in the past we thank you. For those who are considering ad space, we thank you as well. 🙂 Are you interested? Head on over to our Ad Information page.
  3. This attempt by them to intimate their clients is laughable, but par the course for BadCoyote. Clients speaking out about negative experiences is protected by law. Perhaps BC should actually complete his work if he doesn't want people having to resort to Artists Beware. And whatever happened to BC "leaving the fandom"?
  4. Howdy! This would fall under our "is my situation bewareable" sticky. For a short answer: we can't determine whether or not something will pass queue until it is before us with full proof and context.
  5. As we stated on Twitter, we will not be boosting or hosting offsite links as many do not have proof. Additionally, the rules for commenting follow the same rules as the Submission Guidelines: Your comments must be about your own transaction. If you see someone who has also had an issue encourage them to post here. Why? It allows chronic bewarees to actually start showing up on Google. It gives people a centralized place to find issues rather than having to wade through various sites and accounts. Here is the link to this user's tag: https://artistsbeware.info/tags/thatdumbfox/
  6. Your comment is fine, I just want to point out that this is not a beware. A Caution post should never be taken as the same weight as a beware.
  7. A post was not approved as it contains proxy. Please remember comments must also follow the submission gudelines, and may only be about your transactions. If anyone knows of others please encourage them to submit their own post.
  8. You would require written permission from the artist to be included. That permission can be PMed to any mod on staff or included in your post.
  9. If you and another person entered into a joint commission together, then yes. You two would be considered a collaboration of clients. If it's you, alone, commissioning two artists but only one is giving you a problem then we would have to discuss it in mod chat. We've never had that situation before.
  10. Lots of places operate under the honor system. It's why you'll find porn sites don't ask you to send ID to them to ensure you're 18. All you have to do is pinky promise that you are. In the vast majority of places this absolves you of any legal ramifications of sending porn to a minor. As for collecting IDs, you'll find that anyone who tries will likely not see any business. I'm well above 18, but wouldn't touch anyone who wants my ID with a 10 ft pole. Plus anyone who collects this kind of information is responsible for how they store and use this information. If they have international customers, then they will have to abide by international laws. It's something we've had to brush upon while operating this site.
  11. Changed Where to https://twitter.com/mickiewesten
  12. This is 3 days shy of our required 3 month minimum wait time, however we've decided to approve this for you.
  13. A comment was not approved. We do not condone people mass spamming users concerning a bewaree as this is harassment. In addition, the comments should also follow the Submission Guidelines concerning third party/ proxy. You may only come and speak about your own transaction. We do not condone witch hunting or brigading. If individuals want to help they can forward victims to make a beware on the site. While we don't mind comments, individual comments do not add to a bewaree's tag weight. Tag weight determines how high someone shows up on our tag cloud.
  14. OP isn't following this thread, so I'm not sure if they will see this. However we did notice the art is gone from the client's gallery. Not sure if OP got it taken down or the base owner as the client wasn't supposed to give the base to others to fill out.
  15. Well, this looks like it's becoming a pattern for this client to behave this way. For what it's worth, I see little difference between the reference images and what you actually produced. They also skipped out on paying another person who posted here, so it sounds like they're making a habit of finding excuses not to pay.
  16. Your logs show that you've reset your password multiple times since joining. Has this always been an issue? The logs say there were 3 failed attempts, but we also recently updated IPS. If it only started happening recently then we'll have to report it to IPS.
  17. We've verified privately that the new email is her's. While it was shared privately, we've decided due to her name changes to allow it publicly. The tags will be updated.
  18. James

    Caution: TeaEel

    Taking things from here to there is still forbidden despite us being off of LJ. I do not want us to garner a poor reputation by allowing members to touch the poop. My net is spotty so let's see if this posts
  19. Many of us who operate shops have experienced lost, damaged, and delayed packages due to COVID. However, for so many packages to go completely lost? Yea, my money is on the item simply never being shipped. This is utterly ridiculous. It's a long shot, but you and everyone affected, can contact Paypal about it. Many years ago when Pirate-Cashoo had her issues some of her clients managed to get refunds from Paypal long after the window closed. But it was only because so many people had contacted Paypal concerning her. (And to be fair to her since I'm name dropping her, Pirate-Cashoo has made good on her owed list since)
  20. James

    Caution: TeaEel

    It most certainly is. Plus any funds in your account are seized. Paypal isn't a bank, so they don't have to make it easy for you to reclaim your funds either.
  21. Dec. 31st, 2012 at 3:27 PM crazydraconic JuniperBerri A_B Who: Deviant: Juniperberri, SainteCiel Important Edit: I fixed/retook some of the screenshots to make them more visible, hope this is a little less confusing now! Where: DeviantArt http://juniperberri.deviantart.com/ What:A 10$ flat colored Digital Drawing of JuniperBerri's character Monarch ( Link here http://crazylovecat.deviantart.com/#/d5pc40l ) (old link deleted, here is a dropbox link instead: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7z5ebugu8oknv8s/Monarch%20%28com%29.png?dl=0 ) When: Commission Taken: December 20th 2012 Commission Finished: December 26th 2012 Set Date Payment Was Supposed To Be Recieved: December 26th 2012 Proof: Poll Prooving she wanted to take Commissions: http://juniperberri.deviantart.com/journal/poll/3358090/ (screenshot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/zvypiz62gvo3d2p/Commission%20Poll%20%28Juniperberri%29.png?dl=0 ) Note Proving She Agreed to The Payed Date(screenshot): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/sxwb5ty5k6hfcok/Junpierberri%20Commission%20note%202.png?dl=0 Poll Comments of the Commission Agreement: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hncxf00s78j184r/Poll%20Comments%20%28Juniperberri%29.png?dl=0 Explain: When I saw the Poll JuniperBerri had created about wanting to take Commissions, I commented and she told me she was low on money but she would send the payment when she got payed. Being nice, I told her i could wait until she got payed, and she told me she would pay me on Wednesday of December 26 2012. When that day came by and I had posted her Commission, she told me she would pay me that day when her money was transfered into the bank. I waited, and I have not seen that Payment yet, and everey time I have sent her a Note asking why she has not payed, i have not recieved a response and when I said something about it on her Shouts, she deleted the Comment, as well as the comment I made on a journal she creadted saying that she was not going to pay anyone before they made the Commission (found here http://juniperberri.deviantart.com/journal/#/d5ogmrx ) EDIT: Made a Screenshot of Juniperberri's "ugh" Journal just in case.>> http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7751/juniperberrisughjournal.png EDIT 1-12-15: So its been a while since the last update for this. I happened to log in today to find a notification saying that Juniperberri(however they have changed their name to SainteCiel ) has uploaded the unpaid art piece! Funny that they actually credited me as the artist, I probably wouldn't have found out otherwise. Even so, if it is not removed (as I have kindly asked them to do) I will report them to the DA Staff and hopefully they will take it down for me. Screenshot of the re-upload: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/jd76hegfirbyu72/Monarch%20reupload.png?dl=0 So far it looks like they have denied the knowledge of not paying for the Commission. New Edit: I'll let the screenshot explain itself, but they did remove the submission. However, they have not made any indication that they were going to pay for it. Screenshot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/f9yifha68ona9mh/reupload%20comments.png?dl=0
  22. Dec. 26th, 2012 at 7:26 PM lugiacollector WHO: Casey Barden WHERE http://fursuitauctions.livejournal.com/2620266.html WHAT: Fursuit Commission (Partial Mienshao OC) Start of commission: 8/1/12 Payment made: 8/31/12 Loss of contact periods: 9/19/12 - 10/22/12 10/22/12 - 2/20/13 - "Hey sweetie! I'm so sorry it's taken a while to get back to you! We're having computer troubles right now & should be getting our computer back soon in about a week. It's over-heating really bad & we had to send it back to get it fixed. I will have tons of pictures for you then! Just dropping a quick note to let you know I'm still here & still working on suit." and 9/11/13 - 1/6/14 On 1/6/14, she responded stating apologies and mentioned refunding me $50 (have not seen this yet) plus shipping me the fursuit head, which is furred (but i'm going to re-do the furring), the foam finger gloves she made, maybe some other small things she did and all of the fur that is left over from the project. 1/28/14 - Contacted stating she will ship (never did) 1/28/14 - 2/22/14 NO CONTACT AGAIN. 2/26/14 - Received everything in the mail, it all fits and works perfectly. Just took forever! -------------------- Their facebook account has SOME activity on it https://www.facebook.com/casey.barden?ref=ts&fref=ts and I cannot tell if their other account does https://www.facebook.com/Fuzztasticfun?ref=ts&fref=ts
  23. Dec. 24th, 2012 at 9:34 PM forsakenarte WHO: eellie (formerly known as BellaBatastic0889) WHERE: eellie's DeviantArt WHAT: 150x150px digitally-made Animated Pixel drawing WHEN: (Time is in UTC) Date of Commissioning : Nov 20th 2011 5.38pm Approval: Nov 20th 2011 6.02pm Payment Sent: Nov 20th 2011 6.27pm Payment Received: Nov 20th 2011 6.29pm Commented on page asking why i was no longer on their to-do-list : Feb 4th 2012 Reply : Feb 4th 2012 Note asking for status of commission: July 25th 2012 8:24pm Artist forgets who i am: July 25th 2012 9.15pm Sent reply telling them who i was: July 26th 2012 1.00am Reply of note: July 27th 2012 12.08am After no update for several months re-note to ask of progress: Nov 6th 2012 1.12pm Reply of note ,artist states they will get to it asap : Nov 6th 2012 11.59pm My reply back giving advice on how to better deal with commissions and reminding them what it was i commissioned for : Nov 7th 2012 1.02pm No reply back but has been marked as seen by artist. Re-note in frustration asking if they even want to do the commission anymore: Nov 27th 2012 11.09pm No reply but has been marked as seen by artist. PROOF: (due to the nature of dA notes ,read from bottom up,with July i have put it in order but again read each segment from bottom up,sorry for any confusion July may bring ) Date of commissioning to Payment Received 20th Nov 2012 Comment on page with replies Feb 4th 2012 Note Asking for status and replies July 25th -July 27th 2012 Re-note asking for status of commission with replies Nov 6- Nov 7th 2012 Proof that it has been seen Final note of frustration by me 27th Nov 2012 Proof it has been marked as seen EXPLAIN: Forgive me ,i'm not to sure how to explain ,I think the notes show enough? I'd also like to apologize for my horrible wording ,grammar ,i am not very good at it despite me being english . I'm a patient person when it comes to waiting for artwork from artists as i know how long these things can take so i tend not to pester the artist for a while but after hearing nothing from this artist for so many months when most at least update me saying there will be a delay or giving me a status of the commission ,i started to worry so began to contact the artist for more information.I was glad to see that they where active and replied so fast to my notes and was hoping that they would finally be done with the commission but alas that never happened.I can understand that this artist has been away due to life but i would of just liked them to have noted me saying "I'm sorry but i cannot continue your commission because ____ ,I will have it done by this date" or refunding me when i asked them.Red-flags where raised the more replies i got ,the first being when they forgot about me ,second being when they said they had other people asking about commissions,third being that they can't refund me ,fourth being no replies or updates when they said it was nearly done .I did do things wrong ,leaving it so late to contact them and then some of my notes seem harsh? and I am sorry for that and now know better but i'm at a loss on what to do,I really wish i didn't have to put this beware up .There are comments on her page by others asking for their commissions ,some have been hidden now ,should i contact those commissioners and see if they are having the same issues as me? this has made me very wary to commission any artist and since i commissioned eellie i have not commissioned anyone since. Please help me try and fix this so it can be resolved ? 😞
  24. Dec. 24th, 2012 at 10:58 AM cathzcathz WHO: HinaUchi - FA WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/hinauchi/ WHAT: An Auction; Adult/or clean preposed commission. WHEN: June 17th, 2012 - Precent. PROOF http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8206288/#cid:56996516 - Proof of winning Auction. http://i.imgur.com/WzPY1.png?1 - Note about paying and asking what I wanted. http://imgur.com/VoAIz - Proof of paying. http://i.imgur.com/40OGm.png?1 - Got some giftart from her for the tip. http://i.imgur.com/cFqRI.png?1 - Asking for a WIP. http://i.imgur.com/4Vf7z.png?2 - Got the WIP, said the okay to go further. http://i.imgur.com/Yg3yf.png?1 - Her tablet broke so I gave her some time to get a new one. http://i.imgur.com/Qo2MV.png?1 - Waited till I got a bit concerned I was being ignored. Sent a note. http://i.imgur.com/00kgK.png?1 - Sent note after she posted a journal, asking who she owed art to. http://i.imgur.com/xq9gr.png?1 - Last reply I got from her. http://bluetypoon.tumblr.com/ - NSFW. Her Porn tumblr. EXPLAIN: I won an auction piece from HinaUchi, thrilled about it. I sent the money and everything, I am a patient person. I took a bit to send the money, so I put an extra ten in cause I felt bad for taking so long. I got a lovely gift art from her for it. I felt confident my commission would be done just as quick. So I waited. Around July, I asked for a WIP. I got it and sent the okay, again I waited for her reply. I will take blame for this part, apparently it didn't go through or something so my bad.I sent another note asking why she haven't sent anything and later I got it and we were both clear on continuing. I again, waited. Her tablet broke, so I took into consideration to wait before asking for more progress on my commission. But during all this, she has been posting adoptable things left and right, even did a commission for one of those adoptables. I dunno if she has done these before the tablet broke, she doesn't communicate. She has no Commission Que anywhere and her ToS is not detailed. She never updated if she got a new tablet. I've had ZEEERO communication from her. None. I've been the one to be sending the notes during all this. Even her dA had updated adoptables and art of her and of her partner, I don't like snooping through her dA and youtube, I don't think its fair for me to be but its resulted to this since she gave no effort to contact me. She made a tumblr, it has adult art. Dates show she's been doing the random art even when I asked for my WIPs. But I put it aside and waited. I made the mistake not to confront her. Fast forwarding around November, FA seem to have had a Note malfunction. During that I sent her another note( http://i.imgur.com/xqUkS.png?1 )stating that I've been beyond very patient for my commission. Asking for a refund, it got lost during the update it seems. She made a journal asking for who she owed art to, so I sent another. She got it and have been waiting since for the new WIP. Still waiting, this will be 6 months. And she has the nerve to make MORE auctions even though she hasn't even finished mine! Honestly I am fed up. I have given her chances to finish my commission, held back on posting a report on here. I feel bad for posting, I shouldn't but I do. ADVICE: Should I warn the others that have bought the resent auctions? Should I call Paypal for the refund? I dunno what to do now at the point. I never been in a position like this. Please help. --------------------------------------- EDIT I have received the artwork. Everything is fine. I appreciate she finished it.
  25. Dec. 20th, 2012 at 4:06 PM WHO: Wyebird WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/wyebird/ WHAT: Wyebird posted a journal on FurAffinity where she offered spots in orgy commissions: 1 all-male, 1 all-female, 2 mixed. There were 5 open spots per image available at a cost of $5.00 per spot. The initial post was simply to reserve places for later call for payment. That same day I reserved 1 spot in the all-female orgy for my character Sh'sthress. (initial journal, my booking)WHEN:October 17th, 2011 - initial offering of orgy picture spotsOctober 24th, 2011 - call for payment; payment made via Paypal November 4th, 2011 - first piece started November 20th, 2011 - asked about remaining orgies December 9th, 2011 - first two (all male, first mixed) posted on FurAffinity March 15th, 2012 - Ask for progress on remaining pictures in Wyebird's 'to do' list journal March 17th, 2012 - Wyebird says they'll be done soonMay 7th, 2012 - Wyebird will be starting all-female orgy tomorrow June 20th, 2012 - Wyebird asks for reminders of art owedJune 29th, 2012 - Wyebird posts an updated "to do" list; 2 orgies are on list August 17th, 2012 - Note sent to Wyebird asking for roughly when all-female orgy pic will be finished August 21st, 2012 - Wyebird posts to say auction and crotch shots are next to be done, then older stuff, and to please not send her notes August 21st, 22nd, 23rd - exchange of emails between us in which I ask if she can commit to having this done by the end of September or October and she implies agreement to that. December 20th, 2012 - still no art, so sent another email expressing my unhappiness. UPDATE - April 9th, 2013January 7th, 2013 - emailed again to ask for a response to my email of Dec 20th January 10th, 2013 - Wyebird replies; offers refund January 11th, 2013 - Wybird posts journal offering refund, and a second journal opening for more commissionsJanuary 24th, 27th 2013 - Wyebird posts two journals indicating any refunds will be delayed February 26th, 2013 - Wyebird announces she is disabling FA notes and anyone with art owed to them should email her at her commissions address; I do so. March 26th, 2013 - I send a follow-up email to my email of the 26thApril 9th, 2013 - I comment on a journal post to ask Wyebird if she received my previous two emails.PROOF: October 24th, 2011: Wyebird asked everyone to pay for the spots they've booked. As they do, the journal is updated to show payment status. Payment via Paypal to go to wyebird[underscore]2004[at]hotmail[dot]com (addressed munged to evade bots). I sent payment the same day. (journal 1 of 2, journal 2 of 2, Paypal record) November 4th, 2011: Wyebird says she will begin with the all-male orgy, as she's still waiting on payment from some people in the other ones. (journal) November 20th, 2011: I commented in the payment journal of October 24th to ask for any info on progress; Wyebird replies she still needs to send notes to the delinquents who haven't paid yet. (comment) November 25th, 2011: Wyebird says she has received all payments and she'll try to get them done "real soon". (journal) December 9th, 2011: Wyebird posts the first two completed pictures; the all-male orgy and the first of the mixed orgies (NSFW! all-male orgy pic, NSFW! first mixed orgy pic) March 15-17, 2012: Having not seen anything in a while about these, I looked through Wyebird's journals and galleries in case I'd missed it, and found a "to-do" list journal, so I commented there to ask if there was any progress on the remaining orgies. Wyebird responds to say she's having a struggle with it but hopes to have something done soon. (comment) May 7th, 2012: Wyebird says she'll be starting the all-female orgy tomorrow (i.e., May 8th), she has an idea what to draw and all the references to hand. (journal) June 20th, 2012: Wyebird asks people to remind her if she owes them art, so I comment to remind her of the all-female orgy pic. (journal, my comment) June 29th, 2012: Wyebird posts an updated 'to do' list; the orgies are in the 'planning' stage, though from her post in May, I had the impression they were further along than that. (journal 1 of 2, journal 2 of 2) August 17th-18th, 2012: I noted Wyebird to ask for some idea when the orgy will be completed. Wyebird noted me back the next day to say she hopes to have something "soon". I replied to ask for something more specific than that. (note on 17th, wyebird's reply, my reply to wyebird) August 21st, 2012: Wyebird posts a journal about delays in work, that crotch shots and auction will be done, then older pieces. She also wrote that she doesn't want people to send notes but to comment in her "to do list" journal. (journal) About 2 hours later (going by the time stamps) I read the journal and checked my outgoing notes box; at that time, Wyebird had still not read my note. (unread note dated the 18th) So I told her I would comment in her "to do journal"... (comment in response to most recent journal) ... and I did; repeating the text of my last and as-yet unread note to her, including typographical errors, and adding that I have sent notes to the other people who were part of this commission. If the A_B community deems it relevant, I can screencap and post my notes to them, but I'll need their permission to post their replies. (comment in to-do list journal) I sent her an email to ask for a more definite commitment - end of September, end of October - and her response sort of indicated that she agreed with the proposed times. (contact email, reply) In November - about a month after I thought I would receive this, I noted the other participants via FA to ask if (a) they'd heard anything and (b) would I give them permission to mention them in any potential beware? Chakattailswisher gave me permission; one of the other parties did not, but said they'd been in contact with Wyebird and she was having an art block on the picture, and the third party hasn't answered, so I can only infer they've forgotten about it (FA notes) December 20th, 2012 - As I have still not received the artwork, and it's now been almost 14 months, I emailed Wyebird again to ask for a firm date by which the picture will be done. (my email to her as of today, December 20th) UPDATE - April 9th, 2013 January 7th, 2013: Having not heard anything, I emailed Wyebird again at her commission email address, asking her to respond to my email of the 20th. (follow-up email) January 10th, 2013: Wyebird responds to my email, apologizing for having had to open for yet more commissions, but does not give me a firm date. She does, however, offer me the option of a refund. (Wyebird's reply) January 11th, 2013: Two journals from Wyebird; the first is an offer of refunds to commissioners with outstanding commissions owed to them. (journal) She then opens for more commissions: (journal) January 24th & 27th, 2013: Two journals, three days apart, in which she indicates she will issue refunds to people next month (i.e., February), and message them to let them know. (journal)February 26th, 2013: Wyebird asks everyone who is waiting for art to email her, and announces that she has disabled notes (journal). I emailed her with the details of my commission. (email)March 26th, 2013: Having not heard anything about my commission for another month, I emailed her again, asking her to commit to a specific date by which it will be completed. (email)April 9th, 2013: Another two weeks having gone by without any response, I commented on a journal to ask her if she had received my emails (comment) EXPLANATION/DISCUSSION:I really feel quite silly posting this, because in financial terms I'm potentially out of pocket only $5.00. I had lost track of this until March, in fact, when for other reasons I was going through my PayPal history. However I didn't really start getting concerned until late June when she asked for people to remind her about work she owed. However, she then updated her to-do list a week later, so I thought I'd just keep an eye on things. However, I did start reading some of her back journals and so on, and I noticed a distinct trend. Depression, arm injury, needing money. In May she started offering freebie art, 10 spots per month to start in June. I haven't screen-capped all these journals mainly because they have nothing to do with me other than to demonstrate that she has an incredible workload outstanding, but I have a representative selection I will post at the end, and for any who wish to, they are (as of August 18th) all still present in her FurAffinity account.Briefly, though she still owes considerable art, between the end of June and now she's taken on multiple batches of "crotch shot" commissions, 2-character specials, pin-up commissions and an auction. July 4th specifically, she posted that she was sorry about taking on more commissions when she still owed so many, but she needs to raise money to move, because her current living quarters are stiflingly hot during the day. She is still suffering from art block as well.I hope I don't come across as unreasonable or unsympathetic, but it's been 14 months which strikes me as a little ridiculous. I knew at the time I reserved a spot that these would be simple art - lines and flat colours - and at the per-spot price she wanted, quite appropriate; but by the same token, they shouldn't take all that long to do. I also feel as if by submitting this beware post I'm going to make it just that much harder for her to get out from under. At this point, if she were to tell me she simply can't do it, I'd be just as likely to say "Don't worry about it" and not ask for my money back. However, there are other people involved in this commission as well and I can't speak for them. I have heard back from two of them and they, too, are curious about where this piece is and have asked me to keep them informed. Examples of her taking on further work:June 30th - taking crotch shot commissions July 1st, 4th - taking more crotch shot commissions, apology for taking more commissionsJuly 11th - taking 2-character specials August 1st - taking pin-up commissionsAugust 12th - taking more crotch shot commissions August 14th - auction commissionI do wish to say in closing that Wyebird has been consistently polite and good-natured in our communications back and forth about this commission. However, it has been 14 months since these pieces were offered and paid for; my concern is that this has dragged on for considerably longer than it really ought to have. I would like to think I'm not unreasonable in asking for a rough delivery date - a month, two months - instead of "soon". I hope that she can get her living situation sorted out and her commission backlog reduced, and that she will overcome this challenge and have a successful business as an artist. UPDATE April 9th, 2013At this point I have the feeling I will not receive the art. Moderators, please mark this "abandoned". I do not consider it resolved, but I don't see that I can do much else. Thank you. UPDATE April 30th, 2013I was wrong; the art was delivered April 28th! I consider the matter satisfactorily resolved, and wish Wyebird every future success.
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