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Unless i misread Im sure Efsher didn't want ANY credits removed from her art. I also will mimic what i said before: if Raven didn't want Adiago credited, why did she go and accept the final pieces where the credits where plain as they right there? Why didnt she mention this to Efsher from the beginning? It looks like she didn't mention it at all when she placed the order not to credit Adiago, so she can't complain to Efsher as if it was her fault Raven had to edit the work. Raven trying to think she can get her money back for all this while putting 90% blame on Efsher is just wrong. Removing credits because she "had enough" and "assumed" it was okay since she got the PDF files is just wrong. You should never "assume" something is okay to do when it comes to editing an artist artwork. It is common curtisy to ask first. Even then Efsher clearly didnt want to offend Adiago, and being she is an artist, she knows it is best to credit another artist to keep things professional and be respectful. Even if someone doesn't like someone, it should be explanitory to still give credit where it is due unless the person just wants to look bad.
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She has a post on FA somewhere on another account where she has made a side "branch off" lore about Abyss Drakes that goes completely against the cannon lore. At that point I would think she'd have just renamed this spin off race given all the drastic changes to the lore. But even then i still wonder if that'd even be something right to do... I'm honestly conflicted if renaming would just make things better or worse.
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Wouldn't that just make matters worse though with the drama between her and Adiago? Can she even do that? And even if she changed the text and such, wouldn't it have been better to ask Efsher first? That way it didn't make it seem Efsher did it and was as Celstina said: "snubbing the creator"?
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In what world does a person think "I had a DMCA filed against me = i should get my money back"? Raven should have respected Efsher wanting to stay out of the drama if her health couldn't handle that kind of stress, not go the rout she went in response. That was no way to respond to Efsher by any means. An artist has the rights to refuse service. She should never have gone and edited the art and take out the credits without permission just because of bad blood with Adiago in what I can only guess was petty revenge for being professionally refused further business involving the character. Plus as an artist herself, Raven should know better than to do such a thing to another artist, let alone one she commissioned and paid. If the credits were such a problem, she should have said something before accepting the final piece for some form of a compramise. I guess Raven's bad blood with Adiago (she won't even credit Adiago under any Eclipse/Abyss Drake artwork as the species creator anymore as a result of it) has left her judgement between right and wrong severely clouded...
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Calling a client "dear" and "darling" or other pet names i highly unprofessional. Also if an artist is unsure how to draw something they should have asked from the beginning. This is an artist i will avoid given the level of red flags and unprofessionalism.
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The fact they refused to show you a WIP as proof of work was a red flag to me. If they were worried about peoole stealing art they could easily put a waternark over the wip like I sometimes do, or show a cropped version and such. But to just withold WIPs from clients is just... Also looking at the notes you showed. The artist claimed they said they'd refund you, but actually didn't as if you missed what they said and were correcting you. So that is also a bit of a red flag them saying it that way... Just lots of red flags x.x
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This is a prime example of how you ahouldnt start any form of fine tuning a rough sketch or inking or even colpring until you have been paid. This person just wanted free art and dint care if us artists get paid.
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Client Blocked because of Disagreement during a commission
Luna996 replied to Luna996's topic in Advice for Artists
I added a screen where they told me to keep the money, but I'm going to refund them regardless should they decided to change their mind on the premise "you didn't finish my commission" -
Before I start, I am canceling this commission and refunding the client to prevent the possibility of a chargeback. I was in the middle of inking their image as well but given I don't want any chance of them going overboard with this person, they will get refunded n full So I had a client who I also considered a friend decide to basically block me on every platform (Twitter is where this started): Twitter, FA, discord in the middle of a commission. We were both following each other on Twitter and I had made a public post about my viewpoint on the chaos happening in my country. They in turn made a reply to said post which not only was rather rude (in my opinion), but also completely ignored my standpoint. In a sense I felt they were trying to silence my voice and opinions, while also lumping me into a group of people I do not agree with. As a result I chose to stand up for what I believed in via Twitter to clarify things, and as a result, they blocked me, and proceeded to do some on FA and Discord. Problem was this happened in the middle of a commission, and IDK what else to do besides refund them. I mean I doubt I can very well make a cautionary beware post over someone getting on me via twitter only to block me in the middle of a business transaction, can I?? I will post censored screenshots if need be, but I'm hesitant to given the fact that the subject matter can be seen as controversial/debatable. Edit: They posted this before blocking me. I censored out the controversial stuff regarding the disagreement, but this is what they said:
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This is so highly unprofessional on SOOOOO many levels. I mean going and publicly slandering a former client they treated poorly by insinuating they're a (x-term here). Also refusing refunds, running off with the money and then profiting off the artwork in a double profit way is just.... Red Flags galore... This isn't a game of monopoly where you have your friends land onf Boardwalk, get the pot and pass GO all at once...
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The second someone asks for a business payment to be made via "friends and family" red flags go up with me.
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This seems to be a reoccurijg thing with artists now lately. Their clients dont get what they want, ask for a fix, and then the artist decides suddenly to hammer on the client how they are in the wrong, this that and the other thing, then drop said client to the bottom of the queue or flat out remove them on the premise the client was x-person or for x-reason and then the artist thinks for said reason they can just run off with the client's money. Plus it was very rude to just be like "oh your fursona is a trap and always drawn naked so" and not listen to your reasonings on why they're not a trap. Your fursona is an adorable bee, which bees are naturally cute and fuzzy and adorable, habing your sona be the same doesn't mean he's a trap. Really it's upsetting to see this poor behavior and bad attitude becoming the new norm. All it ends up doing is getting an AB slapped on their name as a result. Plus you lost out on that blanket... ;- ; They should refund you the cost of the blanket AND the $30
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You uploaded their email (private or not) as an act of malicious intent by using defamation/slander. That is a form of doxing.
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Depending on the state you live in you can actually file legal action for the artist leaking personal information afrer a business transaction as doing so is illegal in some states (assuming you live in the US) as a breech of client privacy. Not only that but it is HIGHLY unprofessional and a form of DOXing.
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She purposefully dragged it out past he 180 day window. Are this point you can't file a chargeback I'm guessing, and she's just purposefully dragging out giving you or anyone a refund. Honestly if an artist hasn't delivered before the remaining 30 days of the 180 chargeback window, file a chargeback. Don't wait like this again.
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I am seeing this becoming more and more of a habbit "Oh I asked for art as a kind gesture to you, so it should just be free. I don't have to pay you, I was being nice" as well as people going "oh I gave you exposure so you owe me free art". It's turning into a serious habit and this person will by no means be someone I do any form of art for. If her friends want to be scammed out of money and do things for free, that is on them, but tossing you into the group as someone who was doing things for free. I mean you asked them flat out "The $20 one?" and they agreed on that. This habit of expecting free art from people is just.... why is it becoming a thing..?
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I am noticing this becoming more and more of a habit with artists on FA. They advertise they're selling art, take on too much, then high tail it to Pluto and deactivate everything. Why can't people just own up to the fact they done oopsed and do the responsible thing here?
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Wrong beware I posted the comment on. But still this person shouldn't offer "gift art" and ignore actual paid for artwork that should come first and foremost.
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They have returned to FA the beginning of this year. When confronted with no links back to my Twitter and FA and only showing old artwork they did, they immediately denied who they were only to block both my FA and twitter and where i confronted them. They then placed their twittwr on private after another user confronted them and blocked them. If they weren't who I accused them of being, why block my accounts that i didn't link myself back to? The only answer i can think of is that they knew the art was for me and that i was a client. These are the accounts i have been able to find they are under now: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/wtchynbtchy/ https://twitter.com/WtchynBtchy https://www.deviantart.com/wtchynbtchy https://toyhou.se/wtchynbtchy https://ko-fi.com/wtchynbtchy6 Already they have started the same habits of taking work, not uploading finished pieces, blaming being busy for not uploading, only to ask for emergency funds and taking on even MORE work before completing what they already owe. I have counted 5 pieces they have taken in and failed to upload so far.
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Commissioner stops contact after being called out
Luna996 replied to Luna996's topic in Advice for Artists
Will do. I sent them a link to their art along with a notification that I will no longer be accepting further business with them. So far they are ignoring my notes on FA, which I frankly don't care at this point because of the guy's behavior, but I'm documenting everything else should they attempt anything. -
Commissioner stops contact after being called out
Luna996 replied to Luna996's topic in Advice for Artists
That's the problem. The art is almost done at this point where the final colors (shading was done) of my character was all that was left, and I have 2 clients who can vouch for me that I was streaming art and working on the remaining flats, and in my ToS while I offer 25% if I just started coloring, I don't refund people when I hit shading because basically, the art's done. My ToS: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7326508/ And even before I noticed I was in the middle of adding the last colors needed, going to notify them and all my friends/acquittances in the US of the romaine E.coli outbreak once again, and that's when I saw they'd removed me. I mean I can refund them, but with their art piece essentially done, many WiPs being given, they're basically getting free art if I do. So then what? -
So I've ran into a first case dilemma with a commissioner that has commissioned me. Their commission is at this rate about 85-90% done, but decided to stop contact with me (and possibly block me) on Discord after I called them out for constantly trying to flirt with me when I've told them to stop multiple times and wasn't interested, and that at this point after told multiple times I started to consider it sexual harassment. I did manage to message them on FA, but still; how do I deal with this? The artwork's almost finished, and I was going to refuse to do art with them afterword due their persistent flirting with me. I do have a refund policy, but with their commission nearly done, should I just finish, upload it and call it that? I've never dealt with a client that's been like this before, and I don't even know if such behavior could even warrant a beware towards female artists. I have some proof but even then idk if it'd be worth it. My main concern is: I have a commissioner who cut contact after I called them out for their persistent inappropriate behavior before delivery of product. What do I do?
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Artist wants to charge double in "Pay What You Want" stream?
Luna996 replied to Luna996's topic in Advice for Commissioners
The artist's stream showed their regular commission prices, and had a $20 as the lowest starting price they would accept for PWYW. I only had $30 to spare and was going to snag a slot because i was above the lowest price. The second I said I wanted 2 characters they expected me to pay double at normal commission prices. I mean ive commissioned this artist before during their in stream commissions and paid full price for a thigh up single character. But when I see a "pay what YOU want" lable im thinking that very thing. I pay what i wanna pay and get art, not told to pay double at standard commission prices. This is where I felt the artist was in a sense lying that the stream was truely a PWYW. The artist had every reasoj to turn me down for refusing to pay double. But i honestly felt mislead by the title of their stream. Especially given looking back on my PC, their price guide was not a guide for "you pay this; you get this" it was their commission price sheet where you were paying full price for the artwork. -
Everything here reads as a violation of srandard trades and sales practices regarding the excjange of am item for money. At no point should a person take your money and refuse to give it back when you wish to cancel. Given they have provided no proof of progress and basically are stating they havent even touched it yet, ask for a refund If they toss their ToS in your face, toss the law back into theirs bt opening a claim. At this point the person sounds like they are making you wait out the 180 days to where you cant open a claim any more and they can just take your money and never give you your art. A month already passed, I wouldn't wait any longer than that without a WIP.
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So an artist was hosting a Pay What You What Stream, and I come in like "i have $30 to spend. Can i get two characters drawn?" thinking it's a "Pay What You Want" and $30 should cover some type of simple headshot nose to nose rough sketch or something of that nature. Something clearly simple and easy. Well the artist told me that in order for me to get two characters, I have to pay double the price of what I want, thus rendering what I want to pay null to what the artist wants me to pay. And I was like "are these normal commissions or pay what you want? Because i want to pay $30 for "what I want" as the title says". At that point i was told basically the artist wasn't for me and was turned away from getting art because i wouldn't pay double what I was offering. The artist in the end went without a new customer for the day and money in their pocket, and I went without some cute art until i can afford to pay what they want me to pay in form of a full priced commission. This is where I'm seriously questioning if this artist is doing true "PWYW" streams if they are telling someone "you can't have that, you have to pay more for it". I thought the purpose of a PWYW stream was pay a price, get a doodle/piece of art. The more you pay, the more you get in quality. That is how i always ran those streams, since at times people only had like $5 or something and I just altered the art type to fit the budget. I never told someone "you need to pay double for that" because then I lost that person as a customer and maybe even future customer. I'm just confused now how a PWYW stream works anymore. When is a stream a "PWYW" and when is it a "in stream commissions"? What is the TRUE way of hosting any form of a PWYW event anymore?
