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Advice for an old beware, partially resolved.
Eden replied to nanomonstar's topic in Advice for Commissioners
Are you asking for any specific advice? Unfortunately this reads more like a vent post and a quasi beware update, which is not what this forum is for. If you don't have a specific question your post will have to be removed @nanomonstar -
Am I fair for denying use of my intellectual property?
Eden replied to flucket's topic in Advice for Artists
I have no advice on the legalities, but I do have thoughts on the usage of your character: Without context it can be difficult to assess how out of the blue this was, but going strictly off of your text, I'd be hurt too. I've had a single long term RP partner since I was 14 years old. (I'm 34 now, and said RP partner is my husband.) I'd be deeply hurt if he considered using my main OC for such a public project without talking to me. Just in a general level that kind of a project would bring all sorts of levels of excitement. This is seeing your characters come to life! This is seeing a story that's previously existed in a private(ish?) setting come to a public setting. Whether or not you choose to license the use of your character or not, take into account what might happen to them if this project takes off. Would you be ok with that? Some comic creators hated seeing some shipping art of their characters, but had to give up because of the sheer amount of it and the tenacity of the fans. Can you handle that? -
Aw yea good catch. Didn't put the two together because, well, I'd never dream of doing that.
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Sounds like a typical reuse for a YCH, which isn't bad. Moat of us would recoup losses in this way.
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How old is this individual? I'm concerned that you almost got into contract with a minor. An adult should understand the difference between reposting work that doesnt belong to them and archiving their continued harassment.
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It might be time to get in contact with Instagram's abuse team. It's pretty obnoxious as a whole that they don't have the ability to report block evasion outright, but you can file a report with them.
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Just as an aside, the OP's main language isn't English. It was an artistic liberty commission where the studio would be given a loose prompt to follow, and the resulting character they made would be made into the suit. In this case, they were handed a mood board and the rest was up to the studio to design. Technically, the character was made by them with limited input from the client. Kind of like if you or me were handed a colourlovers swatch guide and "dog" as a prompt and the rest was left up to us to design. Hopefully that helps clear up any confusion about what the commission was!
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Beware foxyfluffstudios / alex-rose-nitya / Alexanderea Rose
Eden commented on Vinfang's record in Client Bewares
Hey just as a heads up, OP. Furry is very active on Facebook. You may still want to watch out to see if the bases are being used. Contacting the mods for the various groups before hand may help. -
Also, yes, we've seen the journal on Aisha's page. She's welcome to call us whatever names she wants in her own personal space. There's no need to send us any more messages about it. 🙂 The lying, however, is not appreciated. We have not censored you, and have allowed you to come and speak your side as well as accuse your client of withholding information to make himself look better. Even though you've conveniently done the same in your own space. The exact same conversation that you submitted to us is submitted here. When you contacted me privately about the contents of this post, I offered to you to comment anything that you'd like to contest publicly. So long as you followed our rules. You can be as petulant as you want in your personal space, but I will not tolerate lying. If you want to claim we've censored you, that's your business. But I assure you the same response you got now would have been the same regardless if your post made it through or not. The server admins of the Discord that originally kicked you out even agreed, and we have no idea who these people are. I hope you reflect on how you've behaved in the future, and take something out of this.
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Locking comments since this post has been resolved. Plus everything that was important to convey to the artist and the client concerning this transaction has been done. Please use the like feature.
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Alright that's enough. There's no reason to keep the image online after this has been resolved. We'll be censoring it on our side. The client only exchanged money with you after agreeing that it wouldn't be public.
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Changed Resolved to Yes
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They have no ability to delete posts. Our site is not a bargaining chip. We normally escalate cautions to bewares for holding resolution hostage in exchange for deletion. We moved from livejournal to a site that allows us to disable user deletion or edits to prevent this. I'm going to operate under the benefit of the doubt that you missed the various notices that we don't delete, and not escalate this to a beware. The big, bold red notices.
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Whoa putting my mod hat on: I'm gonna stop this conversation from both of you. @Luna996 @AishaSlayde Aisha sharing their side isn't libel. They're welcome to talk about it, and they provided evidence. Remember, libel is untrue things. Ethically releasing something not public can be considered harassment. It's why we make people censor a ton of stuff.
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Okay might as well rip off the band-aid because it's going to come up regardless. This artist's gallery is full of items that look referenced from porn or some kind of 3D render like Second Life. (There's no proof of tracing, so it's not fair to claim that without it.) There's nothing wrong with using references for poses, and we're not here to critique anyone's work. I'll leave it at that. The issue is that in order to produce their work it leaves very little wiggle room to handle characters that deviate from whatever sources they're using. Your character is not thin. She's got curves, and what was delivered... just plain doesn't. That's not a stylistic difference. That's an error. Your character doesn't match anything in their gallery, but clients don't often know how to tell whether or not what they're asking for is what the artist can produce in the first place. Rather than drastically changing the character to fit within their limits, the Artist should have declined your commission from the get go. You were looking for something that sounds stylistic, while they don't produce that kind of content. Should you have been nicer? Yea. You get more flies with honey. But being in a line of work that has a lot of customer service aspects means handling angry clients. Doubling down on getting a character wrong is exactly how you escalate a situation rather than deescalate.
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That last message is so ridiculous. It even repeats itself word for word like he's copy and pasted the response. I can't believe this person can be ok with behaving this way with multiple people.
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I just- my jaw hit the floor at how quickly they flew off the handle. And we have another post that's about to be approved on this artist. They received the exact same treatment. It's absolutely wild. Professionally, I'm annoyed they'd act like it's your fault that they agreed to do an OC design commission for a low amount and then get mad. Designs take a long time to hash out, and it's not your fault he drastically undercharged.
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Oh no, I'm really sorry that you had to learn this lesson the hard way. 😞 There's nothing wrong with pay upon completion commissions, but never hand them a full res one. Very small and heavily watermarked only.
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Bad commission experience. Should I have been more specific?
Eden replied to xandrasa's topic in Advice for Commissioners
Yea, even if you worded it that way it still doesn't necessarily make pressuring you into two separate images the right thing to do. -
Bad commission experience. Should I have been more specific?
Eden replied to xandrasa's topic in Advice for Commissioners
It depends on what you asked for. Did you ask for a specific scene with two characters interacting: "I'd like Jim and Rose to be on a roof top holding hands and looking at the stars" Or did you ask for two characters and the artist interpreted it as you wanting two different things: "I'd like Jim looking at the stars on a roof top. Rose is there too, but sitting in the chair." If it was closer to the first one, then they shouldn't have pressured you into splitting your scene up. As for them not following your prompt, do you mean you asked for Jim on a rooftop looking at the stars and they drew Jim pole vaulting on the beach? If so then yes, you would have been entitled to a do over or a refund. Unfortunately if you reluctantly accepted the commission the artist may not be entirely welcome to you coming back. But if they didn't follow your prompt then they didn't. It's always worth approaching them about it. A professional artist would admit their mistake and try and make it right by you. -
Resubmit - Beware - kuda49(FA)/kuda_OwO(Twitter)
Eden commented on HUFFELSARTS's record in Client Bewares
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Resubmit - Beware - kuda49(FA)/kuda_OwO(Twitter)
Eden commented on HUFFELSARTS's record in Client Bewares
Putting comments on hold because it looks like both parties may have worked things out in the 12 hours this was in queue. -
Resubmit - Beware - kuda49(FA)/kuda_OwO(Twitter)
Eden commented on HUFFELSARTS's record in Client Bewares
@HUFFELSARTS This is approved, but I did notice they're claiming you didn't send a refund. However, the screenshot they're providing is for May 3rd? Your refund was sent on the 5th. Did you or anyone else get screenshots before they went private? I saw it myself. -
You know I've been modding for this community for five years now. I've seen almost everything, and a post hasn't made me more upset than this one in a while. The absolute audacity of these two. You stayed quiet for over a year, and they act like you being firm is literally kicking a puppy across the room. And as for Bad Coyote shuffling and going "well I can't control my manager". Bullshit. Your manager is an extension of your image. It's in your best interest to not have them prancing around on a high horse when a customer asks for a DESERVED refund. As for thankless clients? They should be grateful to have a patient client who didn't file a chargeback for $500+. What a complete lack of gratitude.
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This one is odd. The foreground/ background on this piece is really lovely, but it's so wildly different than what they normally make. Almost all of the art on their twitter is your standard porn, while this one is more atmospheric. With such a drastic difference they really should have shown you a thumbnail or a sketch before jumping all the way into lines. Though I do want to say that this is a submission where I would really like to hear the artist's side. It seems from their Twitter that some pretty ugly things were said from you that you claim to not have when you submitted. While your submission didn't tick enough boxes to ultimately reject it, this gives me concern as to how much precisely was lost. Should the artist have taken cues from you that you weren't happy with this commission? Yes. Should they have provided wips before lining? Yes. Should you have stood up and said how unhappy you were instead of waffling around the issue? Yes. Should you have gone to a separate chat to complain about the art instead of directly talking to the artist? Absolutely not.
