Paddles had agreed to a commission on June 9/10th of 2019 while in a voice call on discord. I provided my invoice email and follow up explanation for the commissions via DM paid on the 10th, and was told it would only be a few days:
After
They next day the provided some rough sketches, but after that there was no correspondence.
In July of this year I sent an email asking about a potential refund, as it was the only recourse to message her as I no longer shared a discord server with her and she disabled her Twitter DM. I couldn't contact her otherwise.
There has been no response even after a month.
Loisgriffin (e-mail)
LG
showyoursoles (Twitter)
Contacted me about a commission Friday June 1st and all proceeded exactly as I would have expected for a commission. The story (NSFW content) was slotted into my schedule, as normal, payment was received and the work was completed on time (July 5th, as in screenshot "Loisgriffin, story 1"). There was no answer to my query for feedback (this is normal with some clients) so the full work was delivered after editing for typos (July 27th, as in screenshot "Loisgriffin, story 2").
Unfortunately, the e-mails referencing a charge back from PayPal did not appear to come through to me (e-mail error) and I noticed something wrong on August 5th when my PayPal account dropped into the negative. On investigating, it appeared that a charge back had been initiated against this purchase, which is confirmed by Loisgriffin in screenshot "Loisgriffin, chargeback 2". They claim that this is an accident and asked to be invoiced again, after which I broke down the charges and additional fees for them (as my account had automatically, as per PayPal terms) covered the cost of the charge back and all fees.
After querying this with Loisgriffin, they stated that their account had been put on hold (which is not unlikely, considering that a fraudulent charge back was filed and PayPal assigned the money back to the card issuer) but no further contact at all has been made. Options for payment were provided but there has been no contact at all since the final e-mail in the "chargeback" screenshot contact chain. I also attempted to contact via Twitter (one message of which on August 11th prompted an e-mail reply) but there have been no further responses to either Twitter DMs or Twitter public messages/tweets. Please see "Showyoursoles" screenshots for the two Twitter chains.
Although I'm uncertain whether this was a genuine error or intentional, I know that I would have been mortified if I had accidentally charged back a commission that I had paid for and would have done everything possible as soon as possible to fix the error. Loisgriffin has not shown themselves to be working on correcting the error, which they have clearly stated that they have made. Allowing for a tumultuous time in the world (COVID-19 and so on), I have allowed one month for Loisgriffin to correct their error: this has not been done. Time has been allowed and, unfortunately, I must make a beware noticed to ensure that this is logged for other creators to be made aware.
As they have charged back the commission and clearly stated that they have done so in their e-mails, I cannot advise working with this client. All appeared normal until the charge back was made and nothing was out of the ordinary about how the commission process went before with nothing suspicious or any warning signs that something was awry.
The commission story will be claimed by myself and the client, Loisgriffin, does not have permission to use or re-post this work as the e-mails confirm that they have not paid for it.
Note: private information (e-mail and name) have been excluded from this post where I have blocked out personal details. My business e-mail addresses are left live as they belong to myself for work purposes. I have also blocked out slight NSFW content (profile line) on one Twitter screenshot.
i approached Devicre in September to ask about if they did comics to which they said they were willing to take on my project despite the lack of experience in the field. I gave them the details then we agreed on a payment amount and i began making payments. I received rough wips of 2/5 pages in october. I eventually had to stop in October as i went away for a personal anniversary. In November i didn't make payments because of the weirdness of paypal bouncing funds around during a dispute with customer so when i thought they took money for Devicre they had took money for random disputes, but i made the final payments in DEC and told Devicre we could pick it back up in
January since they had to take commissions between the time frame i was gone. This was ok for me because between December-January i was in the hospital so nothing could be done anyhow. Once we reconnected and were ready to start, a fallout with a former friend who i was gifting this comic to led to me wanting the comic to be changed to not include them and we agreed on a valentines day comic instead. They said they could do it and we went with the new idea and char.
February 20th came and id received no wips or updates. February 25th and they tell me they would need more money to put the comic idea to action. I decided against paying more since there had been no wips and said scrap the vday comic just go back to the other comic then because we already agreed to the pages for that and 2 were sketched out so no reason it cant be finished.
March came and no updates i asked for updates i got nothing. I decided to give them space to work and didn't ping them again til May for a update to which i received no answer and started to look around for their activity,and a wip to which neither was available. At this time id done my research to find any page thy were active on since they weren't active on fa but would pop up once a while on picarto to stream commissions they took. I caught them the first time and message them there they finally answered me this was may 7th and on twitter i sent a message but they said they never got it.
I was given a run around about them having backlog due to the commission not being done in sept and oct. but as i'd told them they had from dec-may to start something. We came to a mutual understanding they would work on the comic in may and start over with where we were. May came and gone and once more i was left in the dark on may #1st they said their hand was hurting from a injury of some sort but id by then found them streaming many times on commission work they recently took up even so much as offering in steam commissions.
I given them the ultimatum of giving me a start and finish date or refund me to which their response was they were gonna stream it that morning but after me being pushy they don't feel like it. They once more gave me a finish date of the end of the month for June but once more fell thru on that. They told me they offered me at one point to scrap the comic and trade out for regular arts but i refused that offer i wanted the comic or a refund. I received a sketchy wip on June 22nd after no response and the looming threat of a beware to them. I eventually popped into their streams a few times where they had a queue and saw they listed my comic under commissions and was upset addressing the fact my commission was from last yr so no other commission could possibly have come before that or their statement of having to clear their schedule back then for me would have been a lie.
Fast forward in July i asked for a update i got no answer. I saw on fa they randomly made a come back post in august saying they will be active and taking commissions and ychs and old commissioners had to email them if they wanted their work done by aug14th, I emailed them and i was met with excuses but told they will get it done.once the time frame came and gone i emailed again and got no answer or response back, i also received no answer on discord . As of today i am unable to charge back because i do not have that paypal anymore and it well past the protection date anyhow, looking thru my bank statements it seems i only paid 200 thru my bank and the rest thru paypal balance. They owe me a refund at this point in time.
in my screenshots i will cross out any personal information and the name and picture of the person who was to be in the original comic as we are not on terms and i do not wish to get them involved...
the first few are from fa
the second set is from discord
the last set is from picarto whisper chat system
and then there is the email and proof of payments
This happened back in 2017. I only recently learned that this website exists, so I decided to share my story.
But first, a brief trip 2 years earlier, to 2015. Back in 2015, I ordered a hoodie from Dalmy for $80, and it was delivered a few months later at Anthrocon 2015 with no issues. Fantastic.
2 years later, in 2017, I placed an order for a second hoodie from him, but the price had jumped to $200. Okay, no problem. I paid him in person at his Dealer Table at Anthro New England 2017 and was told verbally that the lead time would be 2-3 weeks. Here is the line item from American Express’s website and the email receipt from Square:
On February 6, 2018, I sent a note via the form at http://www.dalmydodatcreations.com/contact/ inquiring about current status of hoodie. I have no record of receiving a reply.
On March 1st, 2017, I emailed a note to [email protected] asking about the hoodie. 3 days later, I got a bounce back:
On March 9th, 2017, I pinged Dalmy on Telegram with my measurements, did not receive a response. I do not believe the Telegram name is public, so I probably should not share a screenshot as per this website’s guidelines.
On March 11th, 2017, I checked his Twitter feed and saw that he posted a video on February 21st, 2017 that he would be shutting down. I replied to his tweet inquiring about my commission, and he assured me that my commission would still be completed:
Source: https://archive.vn/DcR1j
The refund form referenced was here: http://archive.is/nvm9Q
This was the followup email I also sent on March 11th, 2017:
I did not get a reply.
Strangely enough, 5 months later on July 26th 2017, he posted that he was taking a fursuit commission for a minimum of $1600:
Source: http://archive.is/RmLAS
He then went on to say that it would be his “final commission” “for the foreseeable future”, which contradicts his previous statement to me that my commission would be completed:
Source: http://archive.is/etfFJ
On September 24th, 2017, I sent him a DM in inquiring about a refund and on October 25th, 2017 he replied asking for the "SquareCash information” so he could refund me. I replied on the same day with the email address the statement had been sent to. 1 month later on November 26th, I followed up again, asking about the refund. No answer was received. Screenshot of that conversation:
I originally paid in person with my AmEx, the window in which to file a chargeback is approximately 60 days from when the charge appears on my statement, so we were well past that point.
I have written off the $200 as a loss.
Please note that this person has multiple names, the only name he was going by was legal names so the usernames mentioned are from Telegram and email, I do not know if he has a Twitter, FA, whatever. I know AB has a rule about legal names, hence the hyphening of the last names, however I only know the names through what I've seen and searching came up with nothing. He has multiple PayPal emails with the name mentioned but in parenthesis "unidentified," they come back to 3 completely different names.
It should also be noted that in the Telegram chats (mentioned below, which are deleted so I have no proof) there are two other people mentioned "involved" in this transaction so I feel it is worthwhile to have multiple names for the beware.
Some time in late April "Hyperion" contacted me through Telegram about purchasing a fursuit I had for sale, a white tiger partial for $2,000 plus shipping. He later asked me to add in a fan and the total came out to $2,082. All of these receipts were deleted by him and he has blocked me on Telegram after the emails below were sent, possibly in an attempt to not have me write this beware on him or use it against him with the PayPal claim, however I still have all of the payments sent for the suit. These were sent every month for varying amounts until the final payment was sent in August.
It is unclear if the fursuit was purchased for "Hyperion" or a friend he never mentioned by name.
First payment (email is to Alex)
Second payment (to Max)
Third payment (to Alex)
Final payment (to Alex, name is father's and has been censored)
On August 9th Max sends me an email detailing that he would like a refund because the moving jaw does not work on the costume, despite me providing sizing on the posts about the fursuit being for sale. I offer to show him how to fix it or a refund for the moving jaw, but not for the suit as a whole. He declines and wishes to send it back. I have been in quarantine for several months and forgot, hey, we're in the middle of a pandemic and he has mentioned that multiple people have tested the suit. I decline to take it back, all sales are final, and he chooses to ignore this, pressuring me to take the suit back and claiming the state/county he lives in has no cases (this is one of the states on my state's restriction list). I cite this again and he does not respond after that.
Mentioning of sizing for the head
On August 30th around noon I receive an email from PayPal without a word from him that a claim has been filed for $445.99, citing multiple issues with the transaction.
More chargebacks while the client still has the suit:
Plus each chargeback has a $20 charge, totaling $80.
Heyo! I wasn't intending to post a PSA at first but matters have forced my hand, and I find it now prudent to let the community know how unwise it may be to work with Quillcoil. I left a comment on her journal and was blocked in turn. As someone who Quillcoil actually owes art to, this is very unprofessional and concerning and I felt I now needed to make a PSA to let others know.
The artist in question: Quillcoil (DA) / Shey (TH)
In July 2017 I ordered a chibi commission and two customs:
https://sta.sh/06y4mlv2s93
I've contacted her a few times in the intervening period, and eventually got the chibi in 2018:
https://sta.sh/013dxcdz98o5
https://sta.sh/01llc40ojw9k
https://www.deviantart.com/quillcoil/art/Nudi-738254656
https://sta.sh/02gj2l4qm3qh
https://gyazo.com/1ec06c4e0af19e31596f830a6d796b9f
It is now August 2020 and today, Quillcoil posted this status, which has since been deleted:
https://www.deviantart.com/quillcoil/journal/Do-Not-Note-Me-853152907
(screenshot)
I posted two (admittedly) irate comments owing to the frustration of my own situation as a customer who has been owed work for 3 years now and have little to no updates, and was blocked:
https://gyazo.com/342e738332532c73da2f3e8d49361269
As you can see, Quillcoil has owed a lot of people artwork, and today, blocked one of the customers. The artist does not have a public work list, and their work ethic and communication concerning owed artworks is questionable and concerning. I recommend that people do not commission this artist and to be wary of transactions with them.
The artist left an indirect response to the commenters on the journal nearly an hour later with their reasoning for their lack of communication and poor work ethic, as can be seen in this screenshot:
https://sta.sh/0p20wjlw8wt
When Mothux posted in May of 2020 that they were opening for a few pin-up slots; I had a steady, disposable income; and their art style looked slick-
-I jumped right in and ordered a pinup from them.
After this I paid the invoice they sent me and began to wait.
I added them on discord 9 days later, and we both said hello. I played in some small talk to get conversation going because they hadn't responded to my question about additional info in almost a week, and I got a response then.
After that, it was crickets.
By this point I had become exasperated with a lack of communication and any WIP of any sort.
I just wanted to close this chapter and move on because I thought they had disappeared from the face of the earth and had given no explanation whatsoever. Twenty days after my last note they posted an update on their FA.
They also started streaming their art regularly since this update, so they were still kicking and clearly doing work.
The important bit to me was that they had a friend helping them respond to emails and provided an email to reach out to in order to remind them that they have open commissions. I decided to exercise the email they gave and sent them one. By this point I was almost beyond hoping that I was going to see any response, and I thought maybe a sterner approach would garner a response. Unfortunately this was not the case, and a week later I sent them a follow-up email asking for a refund due to a failure to deliver, with much more formality. I was also pretty tired of getting ghosted while they were actively streaming.
I have sent multiple notes on FA and Discord to get their attention with no real response. For a $245 commission, I expected a little more responsiveness. However, after checking their shouts at the behest of my friend — who are also having issues getting in contact — I lost hope that I would get my drawing. I have ordered a refund through Paypal due to not delivering goods as of August 15th. As unfortunate as it is, my money will have to find another pocket to call home.
On July, 16, 2019 I commissioned Dias_Doodles (redacted on discord) for a full painting piece for $75 CAD after helping them pay $16 CAD for art supplies on July, 10, 2019 with promise of a colored sketch, later sending another $7 CAD for a steam game on February, 1, 2020 in agreement to receive yet another small sketch.
The next 9 months was spent with Redacted avoiding any conversation about the status of the commission all while showing off work made for themselves and other customers instead of mine as well as plugging their Patreon link.
Around 9 months after the main payments i get some progress on one of the color sketches
This is promptly followed by another 4 months of the same behavior towards my commission progress
After being in the dark for all this time i decided to interview Redacted's other customers about their experience and warning them about my own, to which Redacted exploded when finding out.
This was the final message from Redacted before I blocked them on all services.
None of my pieces were ever finished, nor do i want to work with them again for a resolution, I have had enough.
During Denfur 2019 on Aug 4, 2019. I've purchased a physical badge to be made and delivered for $60. Transaction was in cash, so no digital receipt unfortunately.
The artist then promptly sends a verification for the commission and invited me to join in a Telegram channel for status updates. The channel indicates that Denfur badges are complete, though there's no progress picture of mine anywhere in the channel.
It's been over a year since I've purchased the badge, and the associated telegram account was deleted likely from inactivity. Any associated accounts with Bluhuny have been inactive since at least a year ago. Their FA page indicates they're on hiatus from November '19 till "2020", though this was not mentioned at the convention.
I am writing this beware for the client editing my art to remove credits without my permission. The client then filed a false chargeback claiming I served them a DMCA after I reported the images to the website staff and requested them to be taken down as I still retained copyright as the original artist. I am contesting these chargebacks with PayPal but felt the need to make this beware in case I lose.
I was approached by Ravensmoon666 to do a ref sheet (sfw and NSFW variants) of her Abyss Drake character, Eclipse back in March of this year, leaving me very excited to do more work of this species. I quoted the client $570 after breaking down the prices on what they were asking for, and they paid the invoice in 3 installments when I was finally free to take their order.
My native language is not English, thus some screen caps being in Russian. I also needed to edit some as I saw I failed to censor names, so some images contain less quality in my haste to post this.
I worked hard to get the art done, making sure to send multiple WIPs along the way and made edits as need be.
One the images were done and accepted, I sent over the final pieces and Raven sent the final payment. I also e-mailed them the files.
After uploading the images to my gallery on FurAffinity, I was noted that I was doing artwork for a character thief. Not wanting to be dragged into the drama I notified the client after they approached me for 2 more commissions that I did not feel comfortable drawing said character anymore, which was not taken well by the client. They then proceeded to try to link me to beware and some other site about the species creator as well as making very negative claims about them to get me to agree to still draw the character. Given my health is bad and stress makes things worse, I still refused.
Sometime this month I was soon notified on FurAffinity that Raven had edited out the credits I placed crediting the species creator in my original images I had sent them and showed these edited images in her gallery. She had originally posted the originals, but must have changed them when I told her I would no longer do art for her of this character. I don't understand why.
My originals showing credits:
Their edited uploads:
Seeing this I shot them a note, which was read but never replied to.
Seeing I wasn't going to get a reply and had given the client ample time to change the images back, I then notified FurAffinity staff of this, and given I still retained copyright as the original artist, asked to have the images taken down from her gallery.
Seeing the images were taken down I was ready to leave things be only to find the client had issued a chargeback for their commission under "Goods or service differ from the description" claiming I had filed a DMCA against them and blocked them and that they aimed to charge back all their payments.
I immediately contested with evidence that these are false claims.
I am now waiting for PayPal to get back to me. My account now sits in the negatives in the mean time.
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