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I need to say that we worked with Chloe Wintermane before (you can see payment history) so they were a trusted person (as I thought). I have a strict ToS, but even with it there is a human factor. ♦ June 19 2022 - Chloe wrote me about the idea of 5 page comic. It was a huge project including Chloe Wintermane and their friend Jacki Northstar + three YCH slots. There were a lot of art and price discussions, creating sketches and then in August 8 all YCH preparations were finished and in August 10 I uploaded YCH to my gallery on FA: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/48501288/ ♦ August 18 2022 - auction was ended. Everyone paid for their slots, Jacki too but later. Chloe owed me $450. ♦ August 19 2022 - ChloeWintermane said that they "would love to pay a half now and the other part next month", well okay! ♦ September 5 2022 - I wrote them first since I started to worry. Chloe said they lost their job and promised to find a job and pay as soon as possible. This project is a huge one and included too mane people so I decided to start working on it. ♦ September 17 2022 - I sent Chloe final WIPs with flat colors and didn't receive any answer. But I decided to continue and finish the comic no matter what because I felt responsible for 4 other people. ♦ September 30 2022 - 5 page comic is finished. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/49321560/ The same day Chloe wrote me that they have a new job. What a good news! ♦ November 16 2022 - Chloe sent me $150. Another $300 remains to be paid. From that time, silence or ignoring, sometimes accompanied by empty promises, began. I don't think there is any chance that this person will pay for my work. On April 25 2023, I wrote them a message and a final warning. You can guess that I was not paid anything. You may rightly point out that it was my own fault and should have waited for full payment, but on the other hand 4 other people paid for everything and I was trapped. If I hadn't finished the comic by today, it would be a reputational blow to ME. It is very painful and disappointing.

Originally posted on May. 14th, 2013 by noctowl Mod note: The images referenced in this post are marked as NSFW, however the links are defunct. WHO: KitNabarii / BlueTigerKitty WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kitnabarii / http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bluetigerkitty WHAT: She won digital YCH auction for $50, link to the auction (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10030994/ WHEN: Auction won on March 2nd, never recieved payment PROOF: The original submission with their bids in (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10030994/ First note from here giving me refs on the ending date: http://puu.sh/2TbHy.png Reminder note for payment (read but not answered): http://puu.sh/2TbHK.png Reminder note for payment (read not answered): http://puu.sh/2TbI5.png Yet another reminder and response that she will pay on later that week: http://puu.sh/2TbJQ.png http://puu.sh/2TbIh.png Another reminder and her response (she answered on the same day): http://puu.sh/2TbKq.png More excuses: http://puu.sh/2TbL8.png Excuses (my message was sent on 16th): http://puu.sh/2TbMv.png Last message from me (not read): http://puu.sh/2TbVW.png EXPLAIN: I held a YCH mature auction and KitNabarii bid on both of the poses. She won the picture for $50 total and I gave her the quote and told her to send the refs to me. I received the refs but not the payment. I contacted her again a week after asking for the payment but never received a response from her. Send another reminder on the payment another week later but didn't get any kind of respose for that either. On the third try (almost month later) I got a respose that she will be paying later that week, but of course I never got the payment. Because I had not heard from her on Friday or weekend for that matter, I sent her another note asking for the payment and she told me that she was at hospital (I think?). I received a response that she would pay me on April 12th and I told her that I would be waiting for till then. I was really frustrated but being way too nice about this and decided to wait. Friends told me that it has taken way too long for her payment but I was still being too nice about it because I really needed that money. After sending yet another message on the payment after the 12th, I got a message from her saying that her Paypal was closed down till May 1st (she said that she told me but I went trought every message and she never told me that). I said that I would wait till then but of course I got nothing after 1st and sent her one last reminder message on 3rd. I will not wait anymore because I know I wont get the payment (unless she pays after this post has been published). I know I was being too nice and gave her over 2 months to pay because of her 'issues'. She never told me anything beforehand, only after I had sent her note. The last note is still unread and both of her accounts have been inactive for couple weeks. I learned that I will not let myself give the commissioner that much time to pay when the payment was supposed to be sent in three days.

Originally posted on May. 11th, 2013 by thetrevmans WHO: An artist who until recently was frequenting Furaffinity under the username Comico. Recently Perma-banned from site. Other Alias and locations: Skype: shizimiru Furrafinity: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/comico/ WHERE: The offense took place mainly through PayPal, however Shizimiru's main form of contact and "business" was through FA. WHAT: The art in question was a $400 dollar "mature" comic piece that was commissioned by me through a different artist (name of Hashire on FA) at Shizimiru's request. We were to "share" the piece with our characters, and Shizimiru promised to pay me 200 for her half of the work "when she had the money." WHEN: Auction for said comic was posted approx. March 28. Winning bid was placed on the 29th by Shizi. PROOF: Initial Skype between Nataya/Taya/nxcritter and Shizimiru of forged paypal screenshot: Forged paypal Screenshot, taken from skype chat shown above(my full name blotted for security): Offending charge is at very bottom. MY paypal screenshot of the same dates (full name blotted out for Shizi's security): The comic in question (be warned, adult content): (no longer on fa due to my request to scrap the image) The green notes and dialogue we're placed by Shizi herself, after the auction was won. EXPLAIN: After Shizimiru (hence forth referred to as Shizi) won the bid, I was told to pay the auction holder (Hashire) the full price for the auction and was told by Shizi that she would pay me her $200 "share" of the commission. At the time I thought nothing of it because, for better or worse, I tend to be pretty trusting of people. Anyways, after a series of complicated matters not directly relevant to this issue (and far more personal than what this board probably allows), it was mutually decided we didn't want an art piece together anymore, and I blocked Shizi from skype and FA for reasons not pertaining to this post. Later on, Shizi sent me a message through one of her friends telling me she wanted full rights to the comic. At this time she had still not paid me the $200 she had claimed she would give me. Again, due to issues irrelevant to this comic itself, I handed over the rights in the hope to just end all communication and issues regarding her. Shortly afterward, she was banned from FA and the artist making the comic gave rights back to me since I still had full financial claim to the comic. I promptly told her to scrap it, but since she had already put a lot of effort into it, said she could keep the money for her time and effort, and the rest could just be considered "donation" since I was really just fed up with the entire situation. Please keep in mind, the artist Hashire was nothing but kind, understanding, and cordial through the entire affair. Later on, I was made aware of the fact that Shizi had contacted Hashire in an effort to reclaim the comic, citing that she had indeed paid me back for it. When questioned about PayPal logs, Shizi claimed she "couldn't find it in her records" then returned to artist Hashire a couple days later with said "missing log" showing that she had supposedly paid me the $200 she had been promising all along. This so called proof is shown above in a screen cap, which was handed off to her now ex-friend, Taya/Nataya (nxcritter in comments), in an effort to reclaim said money from me. Shizi lied and claimed that I had actually short changed HER 200 dollars, and used the forged PayPal log as proof. Above is posted her log with multiple transactions. The one with $200 for "Trev" (me) at the bottom. It is dated April 12th. If you look higher up, you'll see another transaction on that same sheet of from "Trev" for a mere $63, dated April 15th. Next to that you'll see MY PayPal screenshot, consisting of only 3 transactions during that time period. 2 of them pertain to Shizi, and both are for $63, showing that she edited the initial amount that she sent to me. Which as you can see, she promptly asked for back 3 days later. After confirming matter with Hashire, I showed that the money had not been paid, and was able to show her that I was an honest buyer and was not trying to get away with extra cash. Shizi on the other hand tried to get away with either a free comic, or 200 dollars of money she did not have to begin with. For anyone curious, nxcritter became involved because I had blocked Shizi, and Shizi chose to use Nataya/Taya/nxcritter to reach me to try and get me to hand over the money she claimed I owed her. In short, this is a warning to all honest artists out there. Usernames Shizimiru, Comico, Klusters, Shimiren, Sheenix, or ANY username laying claim to the species called "Shimiren" (majority of these screenames are mentioned on the furaffinity page linked in the WHO section above), is a woman that tried to short change me both in money and art. My hope is artists or other buyers like myself that have dealt with this individual will comment on this posting, so more will come to light on the types of these dealings she has attempted before, and probably will again if given the chance. Thank you for reading. -Thetrevmans.

MOD NOTE: This beware started off just directed at Bae Bunny, but after Bae Bunny commented their piece in the replies, with additional proof that was left out, it was updated to include the original poster, Shizimiru Okame/Comico. I will include bae Bunny's comment and proof UNDER the original post. Originally posted on May. 2nd, 2013 by Shizimiru Okame Mod Note 2: OPs FA links with their references are defunct. TLDR: Bae bunny of fa made mistakes on a 100 dollar commission for 5 icons, 20 a piece. Makes many mistakes after agreeing to edits, then refuses the edits after a while demanding 75 usd, or they will dispute the transaction. WHO: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/baebunny WHERE: Furaffinity.net WHAT: 5 icons for 100.00 usd, Made mistakes and refuses to continue editing unless they receive an addtional 75.00usd WHEN: A few months ago to current day. commission dissussions: (they got the 5 customs) Artist agrees to make edits: Bae claims before argument that they are raising prices here on out: Bae claims to dispute the payment unless paied: My responce after being told I would have to pay more or be disputed: My self expaining some edits that are needed to be done: My refernaces: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10133553 (WARNING MAY BE NSFW) http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10241628 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10241557 as you can see these references are very detailed so the mistakes are on the Bae's not mine. One of the icons where the frames are botched: in this icon you see the horn is messed up, and they refused to fix this icon as well as the other 3. this is the only icon done correctly but edits still needed to be made at first, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10491255/ you can see here that he requires the reffernaces so he can evuate his prices: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8786918/ Explain: He's done this work a lot they should have known better then to take this commission for that price. Bae knew the difficulty of this project and still took it on, why should I have to pay 75.00 usd for something they messed up? This sounds kinda fishy and scam like to get more money out me. Take for example you have a mechanic fix your car, and they mess up, would you pay them more to fix it? this could have been avoided if the user had a tos stating that after a certain amount of edits the commissioner would then pay edit fee's, this user does not have a TOS that I can find. There are more notes that aren't shown due to the fact it's the same argument over and over, I paid you for this, why won't you finish your job? Icons they are very personable to the people getting them, and at 20 apiece you expect them to be very well done. after being on a waiting list for months, they are contacted a few weeks ago and they paid for the work and now this... The artist has not replied in about 24 hours, but has read the notes sent by the user. What do? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bae Bunny's reply, posted on May. 12th, 2013 (This was posted on an account linked to the now defunct Google Plus.) Aaaaaaaand in this corner, BAE BUNNY! :V This is weird on my part because I never thought that I was going to be involved here! Had to create a brand new account even. If this isn't how you deal with an issue, sorry! Its my first time ; o ; Be gentle~ Thanks guys for bringing this to my attention and to anyone that has been on my side. I do think its important to hear both sides of the story, so here I am! Words from the horse's mouth :U So here's the scoop: STEP 1: "I -totally- should have handled myself better" I was probably out of line asking for $75 to make edits, and I shouldn't have been so strict, but take a look at my list of notes from her: This isn't just garble, this is a back and forth of edits upon edits upon edits with her. I really couldn't take it anymore! With the way things were going I could have animated for her indefinitely if she wanted. It was apparent after a while that nothing was going to be perfect and I wasn't going to be able to move on, so I abruptly quit. For the issue on not having a TOS, I actually haven't had a negative issue like this up until now! Everyone I've made stuff for was happy as far as I knew, so I never needed one :I This felt like an issue going, "No TOS? Mmm...exploit!" Since after all of this I've been constructing one, but as a result, icons are going to be more related to "Time Invested" rather than per icon, which brings me to... STEP 2: "Bae Gives into the Demands!" I didn't want to spend unpaid time to continue to animate, but I was threatened on getting an AB Page otherwise, as her note shows above. So before I went to bed, I got this note: So "fix the icons and I won't post an AB page," eh? What else could I do! I caved in and did the edits for free that following morning at 11AM, as shown here: I include a highlight of the things that needed to be edited so it was apparent I knew what had to be fixed. She responds later saying this: Then posts them to her account as shown here: So with me being finished animating and her posting the icons, I would have assumed I met my end of the bargain and wouldn't get the AB page! :V ... STEP 3: "I got a bad feeling about this~" I know she says she was waiting for these icons for months, but she only contacted me on April 16th asking if she could pay now for the icons, even though her spot wasn't up on my que yet. I never charge ahead of time, but she was being persistent: She kept wanting me to give a discount for a bundle deal and wasn't getting the hint, so I sent this note: I want to point out that I warned her I work on customs and charge for the time spent, rather than a flat rate per icon. The more complicated/longer they take to animated, I charge more, ranging from $15 - $30. So when someone sends me $20 for each icon and then has a laundry list of big icons as shown in her notes above...I -really- felt like I was getting ripped off . ~ . So I responded with some suggestions on changes, and I get this back: Just pointing out that she says "do what ya think is right here, i trust you x3" and she was going to pay me $10+ for the more complicated one. If I had known in the end how difficult she was to work with, I wouldn't have taken her request. In the end, she got her finished icons with the edits for free! TL;DR ~In a conclusion~ 1. I shouldn't have freaked out 2. I've created a TOS for the future and raised the prices of my icons to accommodate for time spent on each icon rather than a flat rate 3. I made the edits for her and she said "thanks" and posted them to FA 4. I was threatened, gave into demands, and was STILL posted on Artist Beware anyway! 5. Comico was Suspended from FurAffinity for harrasment, so I feel like she is doing this because she's still mad 6. Issue was resolved May 2nd @ 2:34PM Thanks for reading my side anyway u 3 u ~ Make your own opinions for yourself; this is just how I saw things from my perspective. Just let me know if you need to know anything else! ~Bae

Originally posted on Apr. 18th, 2013 by kayla_na Mod note: The Image Shack and Tumblr links are defunct, and the descriptions given about the comissioner's descriptions have since changed. WHO: Squared-Away (Commissioner) WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/squared-away/ WHAT: Digital Artwork of his pony character, Squared-Away, in knight's armor. WHEN: January 23rd, 2013 was the initial e-mail, and when the money was sent. PROOF: http://imageshack.us/a/img689/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img268/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img819/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img838/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img203/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img405/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img845/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img546/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png http://imageshack.us/a/img18/3276/mlpcommissionmelthehybr.png EXPLAIN: I was encouraged to make this post, wasn't sure if something like this would warrant a beware. As said in the e-mail, Squared-Away commissioned me to draw his pony character in the links posted in the aforementioned message. He wanted his character's armor drawn in a certain way, which I followed. He wanted his character drawn with the background he linked, which I followed. However, he never specified to me if the background/setting was supposed to be in a daytime setting, or nighttime setting. So, I went with a night time setting: Commission: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10295327/ His initial description when he first posted was that I should have "asked him what time of day he wanted the setting as". I wasn't aware that I was supposed to ask him that, and I was just following his directions that he gave me in his first e-mail. Regardless, he left a passive-aggressive comment about it, how he wasn't happy about the commission, I wanted to leave a comment to resolve this, but, I decided not to. There was a period of time, where I was suspended from FurAffinity over another matter that doesn't pertain to this situation, but I also had a backlog before he asked me for a commission that I was still working on. So I was still working on my backlog, as well as his commission during my suspension, and I've been trying to keep contact with all of my clients as well, to assure them that I am still working on their product. http://pingagirl.tumblr.com/post/47190827464/im-sticking-with-ych-auctions-for-mlp-related This was my tumblr post, which is also related to the incident, but it was in my personal blog, and I was just venting some frustration. I wasn't insulting him, or anything of the sort, just expressing my negative feelings about the matter. So, I find out sometime later, that he changed his description of the commission: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10295327/ http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7946/theponynamedsquaredaway.png To where he was making it seem like the commission was a waste of money, even though he gave me the thumbs up to finish the commission, AND when he asked for a refund, I was going to give his money back via a partial refund, and give him the unfinished sketch as well. This was a mistake on my part, as I had to withdraw money from my bank to give it to him, so I didn't have money on my paypal account at the time. Note, I never spent his money, only moved it, and it would have taken a few days to move money back to my paypal account; that's why there was a delay. He changed his mind about the refund, and wanted me to finish it, which I did. Now, he's calling me a bad artist, and trying to damage my reputation by calling me such, and leaving a message as such on the front of his FA page, seen here: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/squared-away/ http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9905/userpageofsquaredawayfu.png The only thing I couldn't do was the Gothic type, because...as embarrassing as this sounds, I don't have gothic type on my computer, and I don't know how to install new fonts on it. x_x I've never had the need to do so.

Posted on Mar. 27th, 2013 by crocdragon89 Content Warning: There is discussion of the commissioner faking their own death. EDIT 10/8/13: I would like to mark this as resolved as Chapu has payed me back what he owed without issue. Thank you. WHO: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/chapu/ WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/ WHAT: Client commissioned me on December 13, 2012 for a digital sketch. He paid, the work was done and given to him. 3 months later he files a charge-back against me. WHEN: December 13, 2012 PROOF: The transaction: https://i.imgur.com/m9OfjGB.png The payment: https://i.imgur.com/hobag7Z.png The artwork: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9870020/ (mod note: link broken) His thanks: https://i.imgur.com/rgtjkM2.png The charge back: https://i.imgur.com/msSkk6D.png https://i.imgur.com/2S2UnkW.png Faking his death: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4463424/ and http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4469909/ The proof with inside said journal: http://oi45.tinypic.com/2hcnmhg.jpg (Mod note: all links are broken) Secondary account which is suspended like his first: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/allothernamesweretaken EXPLAIN: Client came to me on December 1st, asking if I was open for commissions. I said I was and would give him a spot for a digital sketch. He was fine with this, however, he said he would not be able to get back to me until reference of his character was done by another artist. I told him that was fine, and I could wait. He thanked me, and went on his way. December 13th, he returned, ready for me to do his commission. I gladly accepted and he gave me the description and references needed to start his commission. Afterword, he sent me the payment. After a few other commissions I had done, I finally got to his, completed it, and sent it off to him. He responded, complimenting me and thanking me, and went on his way. He later posted the image in his gallery, which was perfectly alright as I allow every single one of my clients to post their commissions, unless told otherwise. 3 months later, he filed a charge-back against me for unknown reasons. As I have described in this entry of mine: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/664815.html he had apparently done this to many other artists as well. He eventually faked his own death because he was being harassed about it, and made another account pretending to be someone else. And that should be be about it. It's unfortunate that it had to come to this, as he was pretty pleasant to work with. Currently, I have not gotten anything from Paypal yet.