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    KatMaxwell
    • Who: Dias_Doodles (REDACTED/COMET/ROOKIE)
      Where: Twitter.com/Dias_Doodles
      When: 07/16/2019
      What: Commission
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    Message added by Celestina,

    There were more messages in the original submission of this, but due to the fact that they concerned the artist's mental health struggles they had to be cut.  

    On July, 16, 2019 I commissioned Dias_Doodles (redacted on discord) for a full painting piece for $75 CAD after helping them pay $16 CAD for art supplies on July, 10, 2019 with promise of a colored sketch, later sending another $7 CAD for a steam game on February, 1, 2020 in agreement to receive yet another small sketch.


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    The next 9 months was spent with Redacted avoiding any conversation about the status of the commission all while showing off work made for themselves and other customers instead of mine as well as plugging their Patreon link.

     

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    Around 9 months after the main payments i get some progress on one of the color sketches

     

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    This is promptly followed by another 4 months of the same behavior towards my commission progress

     

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    After being in the dark for all this time i decided to interview Redacted's other customers about their experience and warning them about my own, to which Redacted exploded when finding out.

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    This was the final message from Redacted before I blocked them on all services.

     

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    None of my pieces were ever finished, nor do i want to work with them again for a resolution, I have had enough.



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    I will never get this behaviour! I had devastated loss in my family, surgery, serious mental/health issues, traumatizing events, uni, etc AND i still FINISH my commissions within few weeks/months without speaking to my customers in this tone.

    This is NOT acceptable, and the guilt tripping is just too much.

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    Absolutely horrid behavior. It does not matter whether you may or may not have agreed to long waiting time. Avoidance when asked to communicate about the commission is always a bad sign.

    Also someone offering good customer service should not feel threatened by a customer seeking out previous customers for opinions, but rather welcome it. If you give good service, previous customers will reflect that

     

    P.S: Your notification count is making me faint!

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    Wow, this is one of the most unprofessional and rude artists I have ever seen! I'm so sorry that you went through this. It's such childish behaviour. You really can't act like this as an artist 😕

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    I cannot believe I had to try to remember my password just so I could log on and comment about how deeply, insanely sorry I am that you went through this kind of treatment. The artist in question is on twitter framing it as them having clearly expressed warnings about the wait time and you disregarding that and omitting that detail, which is why I feel the need to comment this:

    There is such, such, SUCH a difference between "due to health reasons, I cannot promise a clear ETA on your commission and I hope you understand that" versus, uuuh, "don't talk to me about the commission you've been waiting on for a year, I'm trying to play video games". There is such a clear difference between "sorry, I haven't done your art yet because, as I discussed with you, my mental health is frail and I haven't been able to work on it so far" and "hey look at all this personal art I did for myself, don't talk to me about your art*". Simply saying "I communicated that the wait would be long" is not a catch all excuse for not only not giving updates and communication, but actively shutting down the client's requests to seek clarification.

    Did OP omit conversations where the artist conveyed to them that the wait time would be long at the arrival of the art uncertain due to mental health? Sure, maybe. Does it mean fart to me? Absolutely not, since the issue here isn't even "the wait time was really long", the issue here is

    OP: hey, I want to be really understanding of what you're going through right now and I don't want to pressure you for the art, but I'd really like some clearer communication.
    Artist: whoa dude can you not talk to me you made me miss my cool drop in this video game.

    (As you can tell I am just particularly flabbergasted by that as a response to some really earnest and patient appeals for clearer and healthier communication, absolutely incredible)

    Basically the artist blowing up at OP at the end is, to me, shocking but not surprising. They more or less treated OP with the same disregard, dismissal, and passive aggression regarding attempts to get the commission sorted out previously, just a little more disguised. They seemed to be saying "shut the fuck up" to the OP repeatedly in the 13 months leading up to this blow up, just not as overtly.

    *I just want to be clear myself here: there is nothing wrong with artists doing personal art between work on commissions. It's healthy, in fact, and can help them maintain their creativity between professional work to do something loose and low expectation for themselves. I do not have an issue with the artist doing personal work between commission work. But there is something personally weird to me about showing off personal art in private to someone waiting on commission while also actively dodging and shutting down any conversation that person tries to seek about that commission. 

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    I am going to echo everyone else with just how awestruck I am at how this artist reacted. Not even a modicum of professional behavior, just devolution into a full blown temper tantrum of telling you to shut up over and over.

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    "Waaaahhh, I can't discuss the job you paid me to do right now cos of my fragile glass mEnTAL sTaTe"

     

    Nek minit:
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    Is this real life? What am I witnessing here?

    But wait - there's more!(?) Oh boy, you'd be forgiven for thinking this person hasn't even GOT a 'mental state' left to salvage by how far off the handle they flew (over a completely reasonable request). 

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    2 minutes ago, cknsausage said:

    "Waaaahhh, I can't discuss the job you paid me to do right now cos of my fragile glass mEnTAL sTaTe"

    While I did approve this, let's not have any more comments from anyone straight up mocking him.  Anger, avoidance, ect. are all symptoms of mental health problems.  It explains his behavior, but it certainly doesn't justify how he behaves.

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    I don't even have words for this. OP your patience with this behaviour was out of this world.

     

    There's a reason my block list on sites like FA and DA are so huge. I would never ever want to work with an artist who treats people like this. You cannot demand respect and such without giving it yourself. 

     

    Mental health issues should never be an excuse for this kind of behavior. This is why so many stigmas arise for this exact thing. 

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    I'm not sure how to CC everyone who commented on this post but thank you so much for the support.

    The simple act of compiling all this information before blocking them and getting help from a good friend who directed me to this website has lifted a massive mental stress from my shoulders and i honestly feel like a completely different person!

    I've never had this type or level of support for my troubles but im so thankful that i have friends who could open my eyes to the gaslighting the artist in question put me through for so long, because now i can see how blatant it was.

    My hope is that one of these days ill take one or two of the sketches that wasn't finished and pay someone who would be comfortable doing this work for me but that's still some time away.

    again thank you all, please continue being a positive influence on the people around you!

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    On 8/23/2020 at 8:22 PM, Celestina said:

    While I did approve this, let's not have any more comments from anyone straight up mocking him.  Anger, avoidance, ect. are all symptoms of mental health problems.  It explains his behavior, but it certainly doesn't justify how he behaves.

    I agree with you there, but I see this excuse over and over again on AB and frankly, if you can't handle the heat you should not be offering commissions. It stops being a hobby then, and starts becoming a business transaction. 
    I guess I just have zero patience for these types pulling out the 'mental state' cards over and over as an excuse to dip out on owed art. 

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    10 minutes ago, cknsausage said:

    I agree with you there, but I see this excuse over and over again on AB and frankly, if you can't handle the heat you should not be offering commissions. It stops being a hobby then, and starts becoming a business transaction. 
    I guess I just have zero patience for these types pulling out the 'mental state' cards over and over as an excuse to dip out on owed art. 

    This isn't an agree or disagree situation. I'm saying straight up comments of that nature will not be approved. You can criticize someone's behavior without mocking them.

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    I've been at this for... far too many years, and I've never ever seen an artist straight up rant and swear at their customer in such hatred before. Wow. 

     

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    I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this. but the artist twitter account has been deleted or changed but from searching the old twitter handle there seems to have been harassment coming from a few individuals. considering a few of those comments were only making the situation worse.

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