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  • Beware: Lenny_0w0


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    • Who: Lenny_0w0 / Lennytheleopard / Lenny#5025
      Where: https://my.secondlife.com/LennyTheLeopard
      https://www.furaffinity.net/user/lenny0w0/
      Lenny#5025 @ Discord
      When: 03/07/2020
      What: Other (Explain Below)
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    -  Dec 5th:  I was approached by Lenny about a secondlife texture commission, All went well and the commission was accepted, parts were discussed and I sent off an invoice. 

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    - Dec 6th: Invoice was paid. I also provided an estimated deadline of Dec 15th

     

    - Dec 13th: I found parts that I thought would suit the character better and provided links for the commissioner to view in order to make a decision, The commissioner decided on the new part I suggested and I started work on it swiftly afterwards.

    Lenny started to make me uncomfortable asking about me texturing NSFW parts that my TOS states I do not work on. This can be seen within the full SL convo screenshot. During this time Lenny also stated he was going to “RIP” some textures from an object, On secondlife this term is used when a user illegally steals a texture using a third party program, I do NOT condone this in any way shape or form, This made me very uncomfortable as I was now left wondering if I could trust Lenny not to RIP and resell my own work once completed.Shortly after we hit some bumps in terms of things not being correct on the textures, I swiftly made fixes to his request however he started to ask for changes that were not shown on his reference sheet so it became hard for me to follow as I wasn’t made aware of this during the commission order. I suggested in the future Lenny should perhaps consider getting an updated reference sheet or create one with one of the MANY free art bases in the Furry community. 

       

    Sometime later Lenny asked me if my textures would be fullperm, This isn’t something usually provided with Secondlife texture commissions and this made me rather uncomfortable due to him previously talking about having to "rip" a texture. In light of all the prior issues and the uncomfortable feelings in the air I decided that it would simply be for the best for me to provide a full refund immediately. 

    Lenny responded with aggression stating I had refused their commission because of their own personal IRL issues, this wasn’t the case at all. I simply refunded due to being VERY uncomfortable working with Lenny.

    I later found out that the texture he was going to “rip” came as free to use. Regarldess it was still an NSFW body part that I had expressed I do not work with. 

    My choice to refund was still solid and I did not wish to continue working with Lenny any longer, Lenny continued to push for me to work on his commission and to cancel the refund this lead to me having to repeatedly express that I would not work on this commission any longer, Eventually he gave up.

     

     

    - Dec 20th: Lenny apologized, I accepted this apology. Lenny expressed that the refund was still pending which was due to the way paypal refunds as the funds came out of my account minutes after I provided the refund, I sent Lenny links to Paypal’s FAQ so he understood why it was still pending.
        We then began talking about him re-commissioning me for his SL textures which I accepted as it was coming up to Christmas and I didn’t want there to be any bad blood and I assumed the prior happenings were just a one time thing and wouldn’t happen again. We decided to use a Free to use base in order to map out their markings better in order for a swifter completion of the second life mod, This ref wasn’t anything spectacular it was simply made for me to be able to visualize exactly where and what shape the markings needed to be, Eventually Lenny decided on one of the marking layouts I had created and I went ahead with sending out a second invoice. Lenny proceeded to make some really awkward joke about just getting out of jail and being -2912 in his bank? Which was very odd but I just laughed it off as he stated it was a joke and he paid the invoice shortly after. I sent out some wips of the body and immediately hit some bumps, He expressed things needed to be fixed, I swiftly worked on those and provided more wips, which again Lenny expressed they were wrong and I fixed them. At this point I was growing frustrated as we had JUST made a make shift reference for me to follow that Lenny himself had approved before I started working. Regardless of the issues I continued working on the second life mod and making constant fixes, I just wanted to complete the commission to the best of my ability in order to move on from this experience.

     

    I finished the secondlife mod on the 20th, The same day that Lenny had commissioned me, He said that everything looked good, I sent over his SL mod and he seemed pleased with his purchase. Shortly after he asked for some color codes which I provided. 

     

    An hour later Lenny messaged me again, Asking for a screenshot of my Fullperm texture, Something that I had already expressed that I do NOT provide. His reasoning is he wanted someone else to work on something and they needed it, I declined and stated they’d simply need his color code in order for those parts to match. 

     

    - Dec 23rd&25th: Lenny asked about textures for three different parts, Nothing came of this and no commissions were taken in the result of these questions. 

     

    Conversation screencaps.  Warning!  The images are large.

    https://imgur.com/a/NTWBgRs

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    - Jan 17th: Lenny messaged me again asking for fixes to his mod, I declined as I do not offer free edits after the commission has been confirmed for over 3 days, It had been nearly 4weeks since he had accepted his finished commission. Lenny replied with an emoji and then blocked me. I tired to reply to his emoji BUT I couldn’t as I had been blocked.

     

    - March 7th: Lenny contacted me on Secondlife asking for help with his neck and also asked about an additional commission. I expressed that I would be more than happy to help with his issues to the best of my ability however I was not interested in doing business with him beyond that. I was met with an extremely unexpected outburst of rage, regardless of how I had just been treated I kept a cool, professional front and tried to reply however I had been blocked again. I checked FA some time after to see I had a note from Lenny, This note can be seen below. Shortly after I noticed he had posted a journal that I can only assume is about me.

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    23 hours ago, Bourbon said:

    I would have refused business from the start and blacklisted him after the issues around the first commission. There's a ton of red flags for his behavior and it's completely unacceptable how he acted. 

    While I'd agree with you pertaining to blacklisting after the issues of the first commission, it wouldn't be known about things from the start unless there's been a reputation going around. It wasn't until after the invoice was paid that his behavior started to show from the way it looks.

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    1 hour ago, VosurAekira said:

    While I'd agree with you pertaining to blacklisting after the issues of the first commission, it wouldn't be known about things from the start unless there's been a reputation going around. It wasn't until after the invoice was paid that his behavior started to show from the way it looks.

    I mean the fact his behavior was bad enough that Pebbles refunded him after the first commission (there's two commissions mentioned in this post), that itself is a huge indicator of potential future problems and he should have been blacklisted right there. 

    I know we all like to be super forgiving of people's behaviors, especially when money is involved because a lot of us are starving artists, but we should still be mindful of red flag behavior and protect ourselves. 

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    1 hour ago, VosurAekira said:

    While I'd agree with you pertaining to blacklisting after the issues of the first commission, it wouldn't be known about things from the start unless there's been a reputation going around. It wasn't until after the invoice was paid that his behavior started to show from the way it looks.

    Yeah, everyting was smooth sailing up to the point where I started providing WIP's of the work. I tend to give people a second chance as I'm aware that sometimes certain IRL situations can effect how you compose yourself and due to it being so close to Christmas I just figured it may have been stress and wanted to try provide an enjoyable experience 

    Unfortunately since all this happened I have found out that at least two other second life texture artists have had similar issues with this individual.

    7 minutes ago, Bourbon said:

    I mean the fact his behavior was bad enough that Pebbles refunded him after the first commission (there's two commissions mentioned in this post), that itself is a huge indicator of potential future problems and he should have been blacklisted right there. 

    I know we all like to be super forgiving of people's behaviors, especially when money is involved because a lot of us are starving artists, but we should still be mindful of red flag behavior and protect ourselves. 

    Yeah, I was too forgiving and I can see that now but I was raised to give people second chances and not hold grudges, it was coming up to Christmas and I really didn't want any bad blood as I'm that typical super happy cheerful give everyone spirit kind of Christmas person. ><

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    2 hours ago, Bourbon said:

    I mean the fact his behavior was bad enough that Pebbles refunded him after the first commission (there's two commissions mentioned in this post), that itself is a huge indicator of potential future problems and he should have been blacklisted right there. 

    I know we all like to be super forgiving of people's behaviors, especially when money is involved because a lot of us are starving artists, but we should still be mindful of red flag behavior and protect ourselves. 

    Ah, I thought you were mentioning about the timeline before December 6th to December 13th for the refusal from the start. I do agree that after that point would've been a blacklist/refusal-to-work scenario.

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    the only reason the second commission was accepted because they like, needed the money and it was emergency comms so lol

     

    Yo, what's up!

    FIrst thing's first, I'd like to say that I was (at the time) being actively suppressed by 6 different artists within the community and being lied about. (I did make a full-length video, it's up right now for clarification.)


    Here's what I gotta say:

     

    1. You blocked me on Discord twice during the commission-process.

     I only blocked you after you blocked me via Discord.

     

    2. The discussion of "butt stuff" was cleared up as quickly as it began, and I informed you that it was copy/trans/mod-able .

     

    3. The FA post I made was NOT in-regards to you but in-fact another artist that I will not name here, that scammed me out of $60 USD for a mod made up of Marketplace-bought assets with little effort.

     

     

    Conclusive thoughts: You were very quick to assume that by "texture-ripping" was in-fact copybotting and I did in-fact tell you this during the commission and I am assuming that you did not understand.

    The only REASON, I behaved so immaturely during the commission process because; you and a group of artists were attempting to banish me from groups and communities simply because I am black; and I have a bad taste in memes because I'm not a Facebook mom, thank you.

     

     

    I'm sleepy, we don't have muskets in America; and like.. don't pull up with one.. please. i'm super sleepy sorry lol

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    I DID attempt to add you back on Discord to discuss the issues with the mod.. b-but it would seem my friend request wouldn't go through and I was very inactive on SL due to RL and I finally got on and IM'd you.. a-and it would also seem that you were either unable or un-willing to fix the mod which had very little effort and it was rushed due to it being.. a-a emergency commission.. 😢

     

    The reason, I was so disgruntled was because in the first instance of the commission, you very literally deleted a complete mod when you could've delivered it and blocked me then and there; but you decided to delete the mod; refund me and then block me which I found a little.. y'know.. annoying? 🤙

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    I, stil.. do stand by the claim that you and a ton of other people are gently trying to push me out of your community over mistakes within communication of commissions; most of these issues are still unresolved and I plan to post a few artists cautions on these artists because most of them misused my character in an attempt to make even MORE money off of him.

     

    Soooo, I'm gonna post that tonight! ❤️

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    While you are welcome to respond, please note that we ask submitters to leave off the personal drama and community fighting and keep it transaction focused.  We're going to ask the same of you.

    Also, if you have a response take your time to write it out.  We will no longer be approving multiple comments in a row from you as they are spammy.  Pebbles will not be notified of a comment until we hit the manual approve button.  This is a forum.  Not a chat server.

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    I felt the need to re-clarify some things from Lenny, Those of which can be viewed in the IMGUR link provided in the original AB post that I made.

    1 - Yes, I blocked Lenny but only AFTER a full refund had been provided as I no longer wished to work with them, The re-commissioning happened via Lenny spotting an advertisement I had posted on FA which then resulted in them noting me apologizing and asking if it was ok to re-commission me, Due to the time of year (nearly Christmas) I accepted and unblocked them on discord in order to communicate with them easier. A second uncomfortable work experience happened with them so upon completing their mod, I blocked them once more and to this day they are still blocked.

    2 - The discussion about buttstuff was indeed cleared up however there is multiple counts of Lenny directly asking for "butt stuff" even though I had speficially stated "I'd prefer not, I don't texture that kindo stuff sorry! ><" Even after I had stated this Lenny continued the conversation about "butt stuff" which made me extremely uncomfortable and did not end until I again stated I was not comfortable with providing these kinds of textures.

    Shortly after this the ripping of textures was mentioned, this entire section of the situation was not sitting well with me at all and I was considering refunding, a three hour time gap passed and I had decided I was providing a full refund regardless of how much work I had already completed, The issue with the "ripping" was not clarified until I had already provided a refund which can be seen at this time stamp in the imgur link provided in the original post - 3-Dec-19 05:18 PM.

    3 - That one specfically might not have been however due to the timing I feel like it was not an outrageous assumption to make, I did however state in the original post that this was strictly an assumption on my behalf. However there were several call-out posts written about numerous creators by-name on FA. Including this one posted last month that did indeed include my name.: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/604401869086785539/734805053029744720/unknown.png?width=863&height=486 (I did my best to censor it and double check)

    4 - I was not and to this day am not aware of any of "group/s" of artist's attempting to banish Lenny from groups or communities, I personally have only ever discussed my full encounter with Lenny with one other secondlife modder that has been modding for many more years than I have and this was strictly to ask for opinions on the matter due to never experiencing this kind of interaction before.

    5 - The only communication I have ever had with Lenny on Secondlife consisted of the initial message a friend request, and an additional commission request on the following three dates December 4th 2019, December 12th 2019 and again at a later date however I don't have the specific date only a timestamp but I believe it was after I had completed the second commission so if I recall it would have been sometime in January. Lenny did not attempt contact me on Secondlife to ask for a fix to their mod however they contacted me to ask if they could commission me for additional parts which I swiftly declined due to the problems we had previously with the other commissions. This can be seen in the original AB post.


    I at no point rushed the mod I created, Due to Lenny having an unclear vision of his character and how difficult it had been with communication in the first commission instance, I sat down with him and created a flat coloured referece image for free before creating the mod, my aim was to work swiftly in order to complete his mod in a timely manor as I try to do with all my commissions. After creating this reference that Lenny themself had approved, I worked diligently to complete the mod to be greeted with more complaints.

    Meshes and Secondlife bodies warp things to the point even the most beautiful of textures can look horrendous when not properly edited. Some of what was being asked for was impossible to do within SL's parameters or not already on the ref that we had recently created, some of it was just minor repeated things (Like moving a spot 2 centimeters over to the left, as an example.) It required constant communication that just isn't typically necessary for this type of commission. One or two things is fine, 3-4 is even kind of normal, but -every- marking needing moved or edited is not normal.

    The secondlife body template is split up into two parts and then sliced into many different sections, Part 1 consists of Front and back torso + front and back arms/hands and Part 2 consists of a front and back lower body and top/bottom of the feet, not including any of the additional mesh parts such as the head, tail and ears.
    I created my own body texture from scratch and I work very hard to ensure all of my textures are as seamless as possible. You can't simply slap spots down everywhere and be done with the texture, you have to put time, effort and extreme precision into every marking and detail, ensuring that every pixel is in the exact place it needs to be in order to have a seamless mod. You have to repeat this for every single aspect of the mod in order to make everything look perfect.

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    1 hour ago, PebblesRaven said:

    The secondlife body template is split up into two parts and then sliced into many different sections, Part 1 consists of Front and back torso + front and back arms/hands and Part 2 consists of a front and back lower body and top/bottom of the feet, not including any of the additional mesh parts such as the head, tail and ears.
    I created my own body texture from scratch and I work very hard to ensure all of my textures are as seamless as possible. You can't simply slap spots down everywhere and be done with the texture, you have to put time, effort and extreme precision into every marking and detail, ensuring that every pixel is in the exact place it needs to be in order to have a seamless mod. You have to repeat this for every single aspect of the mod in order to make everything look perfect.

    I don't do SL but as someone who also works with making textures for 3D models, having someone who can't seem to understand how difficult it can be to make things line up is frustrating. 

    Sometimes moving a spot one pixel over makes it become all stretched and warped, sometimes a stripe is going over a seam in the texture, and sometimes the different sections of textures have different pixel dimensions so it can be impossible to make it flawless. 

    Even if a customer doesn't understand exactly why something is hard to do or just flat out impossible, they need to trust that the professional they hired knows what they are talking about when they say it is not something they can do.

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