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  • Beware : Kuro/ KuroDeLatexPone

    Buruu

    By Buruu (edited)

      • Who: Kuro / KuroDeLatexPone / KuroThePone
      Where: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/tzug-12345/
      https://twitter.com/KuroDeLatexPone
      When: 02/19/2020
      What: Commission
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    Hello everyone, I was dealing with a very disrespectful client, his nickname is Kuro .
    I posted a Valentine's Day ych online, an auction, and this person won the auction, I specify that the sb was 40 €, he won the sb at 40 €.
    So I contacted him on discord, knowing him vaguely because he bought me an adopt pony, on the ychcommisshes site 5 months ago.

    This person gave me his paypal address and his reference image, I sent a request for money that he accepts a few minutes later, he also asked me for a sketch before going to clean up, I did , and I sent him
    He tells me he misses the penis. (on the auction, it was specified female)
    but her character was a shemale.

    I told her that I wanted to make a female and that it would be more expensive with a penis in this case. he tells me that he does not want and that he wants a refund despite the fact that the sketch has been made. So I tell him, after talking to artist friends to be sure, that I would give him a refund of only € 20 because I took the time to sketch his character and that he had a picture with his character on it. he accepts then that I finish the drawing, I thought he wanted to pay me the supplement to draw the penis, so I draw the penis on the sketch and he tells me that he cannot afford the extra. so I agree to leave it as it is. He also asks me to make the latex outfit that I accept hard.
    When I finish the drawing and send it. He tells me that it is beautiful but that the latex is not shiny enough. so I change it again and he tells me that the corset is not FULLY in latex, I tell him that on the ych there was a concept of lingerie and that I did not want to change it. At this moment, he takes it badly. then as I was not satisfied with this commission, and a friend kindly made me an offer on this ych so that I could draw what I wanted, a pin-up, he then asked me to post a second times the ych so that it can bid but since nobody was interested I decided not to display it and go directly to the drawing. so I post the second drawing of this ych and the person in the first slot, comes to tell me that he did not want it to be a multilayer ych. I admit that I should have asked him but in any case I never specified that it was a unique ych. this person is offended then and I speak about it to my artist friends.

    This "Kuro" started asking me for a full refund due to the fact that I have talked about his commission to other people, and the creation of the second slot.
    I refuse because the drawing was finished and he had happily put the drawing on his discord avatar
    after that, he opened a dispute on paypal. and the next day, another litigation for the adopt he bought 5 months ago. After seeing this I called paypal 3 times and proved all the transactions well done, and the service provided, so that I can get my money back. this person is really very disrespectful and i hope you spread the word. Thank you so much.



    His discord Nickname : Kuro#6528
    His FA : http://www.furaffinity.net/user/tzug-12345/#shout-48745875

    his twitter : https://twitter.com/KuroDeLatexPone

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    Edited by Celestina
    added in proof of chargebacks

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    I will start by saying that the reason this was accepted is because chargebacking was absolutely out of line, and Kuro has a history of using chargebacks.  This transaction didn't do well from both parties, but ultimately he got what he requested from the art.

    With that said to save you problems in the future I would suggest either putting what genital configuration you want in the auction, or speaking up the second someone supplies you with a character that doesn't fit your parameters.  "Female" =/= boobs and vagina to everyone, as Kuro obviously feels his character is female.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  Given that he received no comment about the penis in the ref, nor does your auction say you will change genitals that don't match what you were willing to do for this auction I can see how he would be put off and upset.  If you had asked "Oh sorry, when I said female I meant boobs and vagina only, do you want me to draw without the penis?" then this transaction would have fared better.

    As for using the YCH twice, I really suggest putting in the auction description that this is a possibility.  This is a misstep on your part.  Majority of clients would be upset if they paid for a YCH under the assumption that it was unique, and then it was recreated.

    Edit:  For everyone- AB is a trans and gender identity friendly site.  Any ugliness will be an auto yeet.

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    For me personally, this an "everyone here is a bewaree" situation. I agree with everything Celestina said, so I won't re-iterate those points, but my addition is: you also explicitly agreed to doing latex at their specific request, and then later on when you failed to do the agreed upon thing your argument was literally just... "I think this is better." Yikes. I dunno. I wouldn't commission you for that alone, but I'm pretty picky.

    Kuro's behaviour was rude but in most instances not out of line (just the chargeback thing, that was wildly out of line and poor behaviour). And while I don't think you're not allowed to give another client a heads up about someone else being this unhappy about a shared YCH base exactly, but... I do know if I were in Kuro's shoes, I would be equally really hurt and unhappy to find out you were talking about me behind my back to others. Personally, I'd like to see a snippet of just your message to this other client (none of their replies for privacy reasons), because nothing in the way you behaved during this commission yourself inspired much confidence that it was just an innocent heads up that Kuro wasn't happy... but that's up to you and the mods.

    Yeah, I dunno how to feel about this except while I hope the disputes settle in your favour because he had no right to do that, I walk away from reading this feeling like I'd want little to do with either of you...

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    20 minutes ago, flucket said:

    For me personally, this an "everyone here is a bewaree" situation. I agree with everything Celestina said, so I won't re-iterate those points, but my addition is: you also explicitly agreed to doing latex at their specific request, and then later on when you failed to do the agreed upon thing your argument was literally just... "I think this is better." Yikes. I dunno. I wouldn't commission you for that alone, but I'm pretty picky.

    Kuro's behaviour was rude but in most instances not out of line (just the chargeback thing, that was wildly out of line and poor behaviour). And while I don't think you're not allowed to give another client a heads up about someone else being this unhappy about a shared YCH base exactly, but... I do know if I were in Kuro's shoes, I would be equally really hurt and unhappy to find out you were talking about me behind my back to others. Personally, I'd like to see a snippet of just your message to this other client (none of their replies for privacy reasons), because nothing in the way you behaved during this commission yourself inspired much confidence that it was just an innocent heads up that Kuro wasn't happy... but that's up to you and the mods.

    Yeah, I dunno how to feel about this except while I hope the disputes settle in your favour because he had no right to do that, I walk away from reading this feeling like I'd want little to do with either of you...

    Actually i agreed for the latex, but i dont draw latex everyday, so i was not really strong to do latex. i tried my best ^^' and actually for change something about the ych ,you ask before bidding. he couldve ask for the penis, and for the colour of the cloths first, but i dont wanted to lose an ych just because the winner donc know how to ask 😕i cant complain about it now because ive accepted a second slot. i just beware about the dispute for the adopt from 5 months ago, there were no reason for this and its really innapropriate, and i dont talked about him, i just ask my commissioner and artists friends, if i was wrong or not. he cant ask a refund for this ^^'
    But yes i know that i had to ask for his consent. and i know it was wrong, and i would never do it again, but i really wanted to draw something that matched the ych i had propose ^^

    actually kuro apologized. and i never said anything mean about kuro. i was just sad about this story and scared to lose my money. so i asked help about friends when i learn about the refund. to know if a similar situation happened to them ! And how to react with kuro. thanks for your point of view ^^

    and sorry for my bad english ~~

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    Kaku

    The “shemale” comment has me yikes at you the artist alone. “Girl with a dick” works just fine as a descriptor  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

     

    Kuro was majorly out of line doing a chargeback on completed stuff but yeah you defo stepped out of line too in several places. Personally if I were him I’d have simply decided to not do business with you in the future, especially at the “female” comments 

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    33 minutes ago, Kaku said:

    The “shemale” comment has me yikes at you the artist alone. “Girl with a dick” works just fine as a descriptor  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

     

    Kuro was majorly out of line doing a chargeback on completed stuff but yeah you defo stepped out of line too in several places. Personally if I were him I’d have simply decided to not do business with you in the future, especially at the “female” comments 

    Sorry, it was the only english word wich came to my thought ^^" "Shemale" I just thought it was the exact word for this XD

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