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  • Beware: ChloeWintermane

    ariannafraypr

    By ariannafraypr

      • Who: ChloeWintermane
      Where: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/chloewintermane
      When: 09/30/2022
      What: Commission
      NSFW Content Resolved

    I need to say that we worked with Chloe Wintermane before (you can see payment history) so they were a trusted person (as I thought). I have a strict ToS, but even with it there is a human factor.

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    ♦ June 19 2022 - Chloe wrote me about the idea of 5 page comic. It was a huge project including Chloe Wintermane and their friend Jacki Northstar  + three YCH slots. There were a lot of art and price discussions, creating sketches

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    and then in August 8 all YCH preparations were finished and in August 10 I uploaded YCH to my gallery on FA: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/48501288/

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    ♦ August 18 2022 - auction was ended. Everyone paid for their slots, Jacki too but later. Chloe owed me $450.
    ♦ August 19 2022 - ChloeWintermane said that they "would love to pay a half now and the other part next month", well okay!

     

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    ♦ September 5 2022 - I wrote them first since I started to worry. Chloe said they lost their job and promised to find a job and pay as soon as possible.

    This project is a huge one and included too mane people so I decided to start working on it.

    ♦ September 17 2022 - I sent Chloe final WIPs with flat colors and didn't receive any answer. But I decided to continue and finish the comic no matter what because I felt responsible for 4 other people.

    ♦ September 30 2022 - 5 page comic is finished. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/49321560/

    The same day Chloe wrote me that they have a new job. What a good news!

    ♦ November 16 2022 - Chloe sent me $150. Another $300 remains to be paid.

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    From that time, silence or ignoring, sometimes accompanied by empty promises, began.

    I don't think there is any chance that this person will pay for my work.

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    On April 25 2023, I wrote them a message and a final warning. You can guess that I was not paid anything. You may rightly point out that it was my own fault and should have waited for full payment, but on the other hand 4 other people paid for everything and I was trapped. If I hadn't finished the comic by today, it would be a reputational blow to ME.

    It is very painful and disappointing.

     

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    Rendrassa

    When doing YCHs it can be tricky due to our responsibility to multiple people at once. In this case, the YCH probably shouldn't have been uploaded to auction until payment from the first two. I see that there was some haggling over price and Chloe bringing up how they should pay less if the auction went high, but that's not how auctions work. Bidder A doesn't get a discount if Bidder C pays the full amount. This is a bit of a red flag for me, personally, and I would caution working with clients that haggle like this.

    Something else you could do in the future is make it clear that if they don't pay in X time, they forfeit their slot and you are free to auction the slot or add your own character to it even if they were the "inspiration".

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    ariannafraypr
    On 6/9/2023 at 8:20 PM, Rendrassa said:

    When doing YCHs it can be tricky due to our responsibility to multiple people at once. In this case, the YCH probably shouldn't have been uploaded to auction until payment from the first two. I see that there was some haggling over price and Chloe bringing up how they should pay less if the auction went high, but that's not how auctions work. Bidder A doesn't get a discount if Bidder C pays the full amount. This is a bit of a red flag for me, personally, and I would caution working with clients that haggle like this.

    Thank you for your comment and very constructive opinion on this situation! Yes, I've drawn conclusions and don't draw anything in advance even to my friends. I'd rather be a "bad friend" in someone's eyes, but that would save me from such cases.

    You are the first person to point out this red flag like haggling. At THAT moment I felt bad, wrong and unfair about it, but didn't think much of it because... What if I'm really asking too much? What if my skill is too low? etc. However, now I can see it and realize that it's super bad sign. Ugh...You're totally right 😞 

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    Something else you could do in the future is make it clear that if they don't pay in X time, they forfeit their slot and you are free to auction the slot or add your own character to it even if they were the "inspiration".

    Yea, that's the best solution. 

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    James
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    8 hours ago, ariannafraypr said:

    Today Chloe unexpectedly has sent their debt! 

    Good news! Do you consider this resolved?

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