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  • Client Beware: T_Cyberwolf


    Risuchan004
    • Who: T_Cyberwolf / Cyberwolf0220
      Where: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/tcyberwolf/
      https://toyhou.se/T_Cyberwolf
      https://twitter.com/Cyberwolf0220
      When: 10/30/2021
      What: Other (Explain Below)
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    BEWARE OF T_CYBERWOLF / CYBERWOLF0220
    I was scammed a total of 221,09EUR - please, be careful and avoid this user at all cost

     

    On October 30th 2021, FA user T_Cyberwolf sent me a note, wanting to purchase 2 adoptables from me. Within the purchase, this individual asked me for serval modifications and additions (such as NSFW version, hyper version, etc.), raising the price to 144EUR for both characters. We agreed on the payment, payment was sent from his part, and a few weeks later, I delivered all the requested modifications, etc. T_Cyberwolf was pleased, and he very much told me so.

    On November 3rd, he did one more and the last purchase from me, which was another adoptable. He asked, once again, for a couple of additions and modifications, for a total price of 74EUR. Once again, we agreed on payment, he sent the payment, and on November 16th, I gave him the files like we agreed to. This person was pleased, and liked everything they got from me.
     

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    Here you can see we agreed on payment, that everything was delivered correctly, and the customer was indeed, pleased and happy with what they got.

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    Fast forward to December 7th 2021. I got a Paypal email that indicated I got a chargeback from T_Cyberwolf, the reason being "unauthorized payment". I noticed he didn't contact me nor inform me in any way of this issue, so I immediately contacted him, asking for an explanation. Because of this, my Paypal balance was negative, and I was in debt with Paypal.

    He explained that he noticed he got his information stolen back on Thursday, that many purchases were made and that he started to chargeback because he wasn't able to determine which ones he made, and which ones he didn't, and he was pretty panicked. This, on itself, doesn't make sense. The purchases he asked a refund for over a month old (last purchase being November 3rd, first one being on October 30th), so if he's opening a case in Paypal, that means that those "suspicious purchases" he's been getting must have been happening for over a month - it is legit impossible that someone has been getting money stolen for over a month, without previous notice. Not to mention, my name was in there, it was obviously a purchase made from him, and he knew that. Furthermore, if T_Cyberwolf noticed this on Thursday, why did I get a chargeback 5 days later. Surely, if he claims he did it in a panicked state, I'd have recived the chargeback the very same day he noticed.

    (Apologies, this following screenshot is in Spanish due to Paypal sending information to my email in my native language; it's basically information about T_Cyberwolf opening a case for "unauthorized transactions", and about how much he's asking for the refund, how many days I have to respond, etc.)

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    I explained that this was very suspicious and made little to no sense. I asked him a bunch of question, and T_Cyberwolf just answered one of them. I asked why he didn't close the Paypal refund case, and he asked me to explain it to him, which I refused because that was his responsability, and not mine, and after I texted him asking about more of my suspicions, he stopped replying and ghosted me. Atfer that, I decided to refund him, because I contacted Paypal trough a call, and the company explained that, since they opened the case under the subject "unauthorized transaction", and I can't physically prove they weren't hacked, I was going to lose the case anyway. So I issued a full refund. I lost 77,09EUR on December 7th (3EUR more than what he payed me for), as Paypal charged me 3,09EUR of fees for the refund, not sure why.

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    The next day, December 8th, T_Cyberwolf decided to contact me, and now he changed his story. Now he claimed that the chargebacks weren't made from him, but it was his bank's doing - because he alerted the bank that his information got stolen, the bank was doing the chargebacks. Obviously, this makes a bigger hole in his first excuse; he mentioned he accidentally opened a Paypal case because he was "panicking" and didn't know which purchases he made and which ones he didn't, but now he claimed that it was his bank's doing, not his. This is when I knew 100% it was a lie, and he scammed me, successfully. He then proceeded to "warn" me that I was going to get more chargebacks for the remaining 2 adoptables he payed me back in October 30th, and that I should "rehome" them. I knew this wasn't a warning, but more of a threat, because this wasn't his bank's doing, but his. So, to avoid more issues with Paypal (as having opened cases can result in your account getting suspended), I proceeded to refund him fully the 144EUR he payed for in October for the remaining 2 adoptables, because I knew I was going to lose the case no matter what since he'd be using the "unauthorized transaction" excuse. This put me in debt, once again. He said "And before I forget", like this was a casual conversation - cleary showing his disinterest and lack of care or responsibility.

    After all of this, I asked him not to contact me or any of my friends ever again - but sadly, I couldn't get my money back through Paypal, and I'm left in debt. He scammed me and got all of the money back, and sadly, even though I revoked the owning rights of the adoptables from him, he still has the files and there's nothing I can do about it.

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    I'm posting this because I don't want any more people being scammed by this user. Don't contact him or harass him, just block him and move on. If he tries to contact you, just ignore him.
    People like them can be dangerous to artists who are struggling, so please, be aware and be careful - thanks for reading.

     

     




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    I am SO sorry to hear that people are doing this sort of thing, especially during the Holiday season. I really hope things turn around for you and that you're able to pull through!

    Thanks for submitting this so others can be wary, it's really appreciated. 

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    UPDATE 04/01/2022

    On January 4th 2022, I got an email from Paypal stating that T_Cyberwolf decided to open a case for the bill of the two adoptables he bought from me back in October 30th, the bill's total being 144EUR - the excuse being "unauthorized transaction", of course. I'm guessing this was possible because he only opened a case with one adoptable, the one he bought from me on November 3rd. He threatened me to open a second case for the 144EUR bill, but I refunded him the money before he did that, to avoid more Paypal cases being opened and hurting my Paypal account status.


    Why would he open a case for the 144EUR bill, if I gave him a full refund back in December 8th? I don't know.
    But he's done so, and I'm guessing he's trying to scam more money out of me opening disputes via Paypal.

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    Thankfully, since I gave him a full refund back in December 8th, NO money has been taken from me this time; however, this means that Paypal is investigating my account and this whole transaction once again. This probably puts my Paypal account at risk, or so I've been told.

    I'll be in the look out for advice, and see if I should dispute this with Paypal, or let it be. I want to do what's best for my Paypal account, and whatever puts it at less risk. Will put another update as soon as I get any progress with this case.

     

    Just want to remind everybody this person is very dangerous, and is hyperfixated on scamming me and God knows how many other people.
    PLEASE, avoid him at all cost, don't make ANY transactions with him whatsoever.

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    To address concerns like this, the best action to take is to call Paypal directly and speak to a live representative.

    It is always in your best interests to be proactive and speak with them directly versus going through the automated systems.

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    Hello! Im really sorry that this happened to you 😞
    Recently T_Cyberwolf tried to scam russian artist with this fraudulent scheme. 
    Can I ask a permission of translating your Beware on russian language and spread it in russian site? I'll leave link to your Beware and leave your nickname in the translation!
    Thank you in advance.

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    On 1/15/2022 at 3:28 PM, MrPinkLemonade said:

    Hello! Im really sorry that this happened to you 😞
    Recently T_Cyberwolf tried to scam russian artist with this fraudulent scheme. 
    Can I ask a permission of translating your Beware on russian language and spread it in russian site? I'll leave link to your Beware and leave your nickname in the translation!
    Thank you in advance.

    Thank you so much for your sweet words!! I'm incredibly sorry to hear T_Cyberwolf also tried to scam more artists, it really sucks he's trying to get free art out of people :((

    And yes of course!! Feel free to translate it, I'd actually appreciate it - the more the word goes out, the better!

    Thank you so much again and hope you have a lovely day!

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    Hello again! Wanted to post an update regarding the whole situation with Paypal.

    Despite me showing all the proof, explaining the whole situation, sharing screenshots, etc. T_Cyberwolf still won the case. Paypal didn't provide any reasons or further explanation on why it ended up like that, but.. it's final. Paypal did tell me that, since I can't provide any PHYSICAL proof that T_Cyberwolf wasn't hacked, and that the hacker was the one writing the messages to me, there's nothing I can do. At this point idk if I should ask customers to always sign a contract before purchasing.. because what else am I supossed to do to "physically" proof no one is hacked? Anyway, Paypal letting scammer getting away with anything and everything isn't new.

    My Paypal account was unharmed at the very least because "I'm a valuable customer" - but what they tried to say is that, since T_Cyberwolf asked the money back because of "unauthorized transaction" and I already refunded the money, I'm obviously not at fault for anything apparently, so that's why I haven't faced any repercussions thankfully.

    So in short, T_Cyberwolf has succesfully scammed me, got both the money and the files.

    All I can do, is to advice people to spread awareness and block this person, because I wasn't the only one that got scammed, and he's probably going to try it out again eventually - he's pretty active on twitter as well, so be on the look out for that.

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    7 minutes ago, Risuchan004 said:

    Hello again! Wanted to post an update regarding the whole situation with Paypal.

    Despite me showing all the proof, explaining the whole situation, sharing screenshots, etc. T_Cyberwolf still won the case. Paypal didn't provide any reasons or further explanation on why it ended up like that, but.. it's final. Paypal did tell me that, since I can't provide any PHYSICAL proof that T_Cyberwolf wasn't hacked, and that the hacker was the one writing the messages to me, there's nothing I can do. At this point idk if I should ask customers to always sign a contract before purchasing.. because what else am I supossed to do to "physically" proof no one is hacked? Anyway, Paypal letting scammer getting away with anything and everything isn't new.

    My Paypal account was unharmed at the very least because "I'm a valuable customer" - but what they tried to say is that, since T_Cyberwolf asked the money back because of "unauthorized transaction" and I already refunded the money, I'm obviously not at fault for anything apparently, so that's why I haven't faced any repercussions thankfully.

    So in short, T_Cyberwolf has succesfully scammed me, got both the money and the files.

    All I can do, is to advice people to spread awareness and block this person, because I wasn't the only one that got scammed, and he's probably going to try it out again eventually - he's pretty active on twitter as well, so be on the look out for that.

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    Unfortunately, "unauthorized payments" are almost always ended in the client's favor.  Especially if they are initiated by the bank.  I'm not sure if you used their automated system or called them, but in some rare instances Paypal will make the seller whole out of their own funds.  However, we've only seen this happen once or twice.

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    15 minutes ago, James said:

    Unfortunately, "unauthorized payments" are almost always ended in the client's favor.  Especially if they are initiated by the bank.  I'm not sure if you used their automated system or called them, but in some rare instances Paypal will make the seller whole out of their own funds.  However, we've only seen this happen once or twice.

    I was adviced to call them so I did! I exchanged a few phone calls (that's why I lack screenshots about the conversations and few explanations that Paypal actually gave me), but after the 5th phone call, they told me that there's nothing else I could do, and that I should wait for an email for the final update - which I got today. Sadly, it seems I was unlucky like most people are in these cases, but hopefully Paypal will take note of this person for the future, and people who got scammed by him in the past will be motivated to report him as well.

    Thanks for the response!

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