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  • Beware - Lulleity


    CanadianKitten
    • Who: Lulleity
      Where: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/lulleity
      https://www.instagram.com/lulleity/
      When: 08/21/2019
      What: Commission



    I have gotten a portion of this commission, but not all or even half of it.

    On August 21st, 2019, I stumbled across an advertisement for cheap experimental commissions. I was new to the community, and seeing some cheap art in a cute style did catch my interest as i didn't have much money at the time. I reached out on the same day to inquire about commissions..

    Here is the advert- it is still up, actually. 

    https://www.furaffinity.net/view/32748027/

    I will include a screenshot as well.

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    I comment on the post saying I would note them, and then I note them and I asked how many slots I could take, because I would get multiple slots if so. (I wanted to get my partner some too.)

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    The artist replied back the next day. 

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    I reply back the same day and I grab 10 slots. The note is really long and filled with links for references so I figured I would only show the beginning with the amount of slots. Also, i include the end of the note where i confirm the price. I planned on tipping them at least double the commission prices after receiving the products since they were doing so much work.

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    They reply the same night.

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    I figured since I noted the same day the original submission was posted, i would be one of the first people since the advert did not have a lot of views, so i thought maybe 2-6 weeks somewhere i could expect at least one of the pieces.

    I have included a screenshot of my payment via paypal. I paid on the same night that they sent their paypal, August 22nd.

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    I sent them a note just after I paid.

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    They sent me a note back.

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    I sent them a note after just thanking them again a few minutes after that note.  The next little while they posted some of the experimental artwork that they had done, and it all looked nice so I looked forward to mine.

    On September 3rd, I was adding all the commissions I was owed onto a personal Trello and I realized i never got an estimate from them for tunaround time. I estimated i would start getting pieces at 2-6 weeks after payment, and they said it may take a while but they also go through them fast, so I figured it would be best to get an estimate for clarity's sake. So, I sent them the note.

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    I didn't hear back from them until the 11th of September (8 days later). I thought about poking them again during the wait time but decided against it in case something serious came up. Note that their queue was never made public.

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    They thanked me for my patience, and I sent back a note simply saying "No worries!" in reply.

    I left them alone for the next 4 and a half (nearly 5) months, since I know school can be stressful during the fall months, and the holidays occured. After the holidays, I allowed them some time before I reached out on January 22nd, 2020 to ask if there were any updates on my commissions.

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    2 weeks/14 days later, on February 5th, 2020, I receive a note back from them. The day of the week was Wednesday.

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    The same day i reply,

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    The artist reads my note but does not reply. The week comes and goes, which turns into two weeks, a month, and then 5 months. I didn't think too much about it with the virus being big, but I also wished i had some progress shown on the commissions that I purchased. 

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    I join Artfight 2020, and I notice that they have a profile, and that they are actively posting. This is the only site I had really seen them be active on in a while, and of course, when you have commissions that are nearly a year old and you see someone doing free art for others when they haven't been communicating with you, it can be kind of disheartening. I wrote out a long note and I sent it on their FA on July 5th, but they never read it. (not even to this day.)

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    So on the same day, I decide to copy the message (this is why the text looks weird in the email) and send it to their email in hopes that i would get a reply.

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    They reply a couple days later.

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    I send a reply.

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    They reply back.

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    I send a reply back.

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    That concluded our conversation at the time.

    I waited throughout July for my pieces or any communication, but none came. I even game them nearly two weeks into August just as a courtesy, but then i sent an email on August 13th.

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    I never get a reply.

    I wait until the end of the month, and the date passes of my year of waiting for the commissions. I still do not have a reply. I send another email on September 2nd.

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    Overall, I have nothing awful to say about this artist! They are nice, but they have issues with communication and following through on dates. I do like the pieces that I got, but I just wish i had all of them after over a year of waiting. I would still be willing to wait if they reached out to me at all and I didn't have to be the one to always reach out.

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    Edited by Celestina
    added in full caps of original agreement




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    Calix

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    It definitely doesn't excuse anything, but I am somewhat taken aback by how badly priced those commissions were. I would be shocked it an artist didn't burn out and bail after making >$5/hour, especially since they allowed bulk commissions like this beware.

    I think there's a fair lesson to be learned from both parties here- the artist probably got way in over their head with commissions and made a mountain of work for scarce compensation, and made the poor choice of ghosting instead of finding a solution. Hopefully not a mistake they'll make again. Even better would be refunding OP after all this time, but I doubt it'll happen at this point. Admittedly, this is a lot of speculation/assumptions and assuming the intentions weren't malicious from the start. 

    And OP can learn a gentle lesson about not diving headfirst into deals that seem too good to be true. Best case here, an artist makes pennies for their hard work and you get a killer deal on art. Worst case, something like this where you never even get said art. I would just ask that commissioners take some more consideration for artist's time with things like this; even if the artist is readily offering to work for so cheap, maybe have moderation and only get one or two pieces, possibly even with a little tip added for their time.

    Not meant to be a criticism on OP or to misdirect the post's attention too much here. Just 2 cents from an empathetic artist who's been in the, "Crap, I should NOT have agreed to that price" situation far too many times. But needless to say artists shouldn't just ghost when that happens, so beware well warranted of course!



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