gubaguy

I dont think this is at all resolved, becuase after i told Kircai that i did NOT want a refund, but everyone was telling me to get one (and he himself said both in private and in this very thread i could ask for one at any time), so after i said that everyone was telling me to get a refund he jsut sent one, and has now posted this:

I 'threatened' a chargeback?  I told out outright i DIDNT WANT A REFUND, and then you follow this up with:

You literally sent the money back for the SOLE PURPOSE of playing victim, after i told you I DID NOT WANT A REFUND.

I attempted to have a civil conversation to resolve this, Kircai decided to throw around more accusations, accused me of wanting to be friends so he would draw me free porn, then he sent an unprompted refund and blocked me, his final message being  "I am literally a fetish porn artist dude."

I guess its over now?  im not happy about any of this honestly. The artist clearly didnt want to resolve this in any meaningful way, and if i had wanted a refund i would have asked. This feels like a hollow attempt to make me leave him alone.

19 minutes ago, gubaguy said:

Just want to point out that kircai has completely scrapped the entire commission and posted this to twitter:

https://twitter.com/Kircai_Art/status/1081361530753564672

" Commissioner called their commission that I was damn proud of 'half-assed,' so screw 'em! "  That is clearly in contradiction to what has been said in this very thread, and he has used the original commission to make his own art now.

Also, i triple checked jsut to be sure, i never called the art half-assed, i said the final pic didn't represent what was commissioned.

Just want to point out that kircai has completely scrapped the entire commission and posted this to twitter:

https://twitter.com/Kircai_Art/status/1081361530753564672

" Commissioner called their commission that I was damn proud of 'half-assed,' so screw 'em! "  That is clearly in contradiction to what has been said in this very thread, and he has used the original commission to make his own art now.

7 hours ago, kircai said:

No, regrettably, as I say above I delete them after completion so I'm never saving anyone's personal details. That said, the client never gives anything in way of support either.

You never gave any form of progress updates, or even a sketch to approve, how could i have 'offered support' regarding the pics?  You also blocked me before i even had a chance to view the pic as i was at work on my phone during the entire exchange.

7 hours ago, kircai said:

Heya folks, the artist in question here! Just here for anyone stumbling over this!

 

So, there's a lot wrong here, where to begin. Firstly, the commissioner did not request "a pic of [their] sona dressed as Majoras Mask link while also having been regressed with Skull kid/Majora teasing him about playing the song of time too many times." What was in the google form under the 'Commission details' section was "Majoras Mask Link!" and at the bottom in the 'Questions & Comments' section was the actual commission detail, 'messy, maybe playing the Song of Time too much,' no mention of another character. Sadly, I deleted Guba's form once I was done, as I do with everyone.

 

A minor point, but one that Guba has stressed repeatedly is a journal post of mine. They are mistaken, as I made no journal. I made a twitter post that is still up, and an advert was posted to FA too. This advert was deleted, as I delete most of my adverts on FA to not clutter my gallery. This is clear in the screenshot of Guba's search history on this post here. Also, while I was taking these commissions I was suspended from FA on dubious grounds and because of that I just don't like posting there anymore, hence the lack of activity.

 

'Piles' is a rather subjective amount of commissions, but I don't think that term fit what I was doing. In the time between 21/09/18 and 01/01/19 I mostly posted older commissions, patreon rewards, and personal pieces. I did take commissions 4 times, 2 of which I was in an airport for and were quick pay what you want sketches.  The other 2 were quick, "experimental" commissions that I used to get out of a depressive slump and improve my work so I could do my owed commissions better, and I only did about 8 or so. If you look at my work pre-21/09/18 and Guba's "half-assed" finished commission there is a quality improvement.

 

Guba never once reached out, instead in November they posted a passive-aggressive tweet listing 'artist who owe me art'. I hope people understand that's not reaching out, or communicating. I did end up rushing because of that post, and  got about 2/3rds through the commission the next day before I noticed they put the commission detail in the wrong spot. You can't edit google forms, and they're not the first one to make a similar mistake, so I didn't say anything. Getting that far in a commission is a bummer, and on top of personal issues at the time, I didn't want to touch it for a few days. That few days clearly turned into a lot longer.

 

I did honestly feel terrible about how long it had taken, and I sketched out a new image at the end of December when I was finally back home and mostly out of my depressive slump. I was grateful for what I thought was patience, and was going to not only make the new one but finish the older wrong one as a thank you. 

 

Then Guba made a callout post, saying that the commission was "like 6 months" old, and  that the form had "vanished." I don't think it's unreasonable to think someone should at least try to reach out before doing a callout. And the reason why Guba didn't is because I said I wasn't interested in chatting with him back in 2016 when he messaged me on my personal telegram which was not posted publicly. 

 

A few points on the twitter DMs above. The owing him nothing part is very clearly about any "next time." The 'sad-puppy' is because of that pathetic insincere apology. I am pretty clearly angry in those messages, and I think rightfully so. I was warned in the past about this guy by a few folks and I didn't listen. And, there should be a long message from Guba in between the last two imgur links that they didn't show. 

 

I'm not absolving myself of blame. I was late on a commission and that's a shit thing to do. I've been late on a whole bunch of folks, and I'm sorry that I couldn't do them for weeks. After the first few weeks someone wanted a refund and I it was fine, I understood why they wanted one. I also suck at communicating myself, I'm absolutely terrified to message folk when I'm late on art.

 

But Guba's unreasonable, and desperately wants to be a victim when they're not.

Let me clarify some things, i didnt 'reach out' because the last attempt to talk to you, you told me NOT to bug you and stated you didnt even have a reason.

Next, a tweet is a public message, one for everyone to see, i tweeted at you BECAUSE of how you treated me before.

Its very clear based on this very response where you literally state outright you based your opinion on what OTHERS said about me that you were unwilling to listen regardless of what i said, and by the way, I did apologize for making you feel rushed, YOU refused to accept it, and those tweets you are referencing came AFTER you refused to accept the apology and after you blocked me AND do not name you specifically, in fact outside of naming you as one of 3 artists who owed me art your name was never mentioned at all.

I am not happy about this situation, but this behavior is just unacceptable in my opinion, i made every attempt to diffuse the situation peacefully, but you decided to just get mad at me and ignore the facts.