Bourbon

It's so disappointing to see that Ryun has not improved or changed over the last couple of years. She seemed to be really trying to make strides to change, but it was obvious she was so far behind with long periods of inactivity, a burst of taking a bunch of new slots, and then more inactivity. Her prices being so low combined with this behavior of taking tons of slots/disappearing, there's no way she can climb out of this hole without making some really major changes to her work ethic and prices. 

I'm frankly surprised she only has as few bewares as she has. She's been quite unprofessional for awhile with a queue that's very long in the tooth. I've been following her for a couple of years with hopes that she'd dig herself out, but it doesn't seem she's improved at all with her business or work ethic. Personal life is not an excuse to ignore your job. 

I have to agree with cknsausage. Personally, if I was sent a reference of an anthro for the pose but a feral reference for the character, I'd have assumed they meant they wanted the character drawn as an anthro. I've worked with multiple clients who relied on feral ref sheets due to whatever reasons but wanted me to draw them as anthros and generally were given guidelines like that. Being that English isn't their first language, it further complicates the situation. The artist went out of their way to try and fix the situation by providing multiple cleaned up approval sketches, which tells me that they did want to resolve the issue. It was really on you to clarify what you wanted before they began working. 

You also make an assumption that you're the only thing they have to work on by asking what they were doing between messages to you, which kind of rubs me the wrong way. Many artists have jobs outside of art, are in college, or usually have a queue. While they should have been more proactive in responding to you, that doesn't mean that you're the only job they have. When they offered a refund, you acted increasingly pushy and agitated about it. You should have accepted the refund at that point rather than pressing them and attacking them about accidentally drawing your character as an anthro. 

I feel like the beware is warranted on both parties. The artist for communication issues, and the commissioner for behavioral issues. 

This artist's attitude is absolutely disgusting. Their TOS, them reselling OP's character, their attitude towards OP through this whole exchange. This is one of the nastiest attitudes I have ever in my life seen from an artist. 

I was informed privately today that Beauregardent has switched names to https://www.furaffinity.net/user/solasoleil/ . In addition, they're using a new Paypal and fake name making it harder to track them. 

Unfortunately, at this point I am no longer the only victim of their scamming. I have urged other victims of theirs to come forward and post up Bewares of their own since their behavior hasn't stopped. Over the last few months I've been informed of both tracing and chargebacks that they've done. Please if you've been scammed or had someone trace your work, write up a post here. It can help compile all their crimes in one place. 

I have to agree with Celestina, this user sounds underage. Between the way they're behaving and how they type, I get the impression they're around 16. Unfortunately people CAN lie when it comes to claiming to be 18. While having that in your TOS can waive legal issues, it doesn't stop minors from lying in order to commission something. 

Additionally, I really don't appreciate them using my comment as part of their crusade and drama. I even said in my comment that they shouldn't be making a claim/trying to resell something they didn't pay for. REGARDLESS of if the design was made for them, they still didn't pay for it and don't get to lay claim to that art period. 

50 minutes ago, Celestina said:

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Thank you for the clarification! That's what I kinda thought was going on but I wasn't absolutely sure. 

Edit: Fixed a typo

I have to say this beware is extremely strange to me. Due to the pseudo-legalize speak you're using to explain the situation it's hard to really understand what the commission was about. 

As someone who commissions art, I would be extremely aggravated if someone designed a character to my specifications, cancelled the commission, and kept or planned to resell the design elsewhere. I'm of the opinion that no work should have started before payment was exchanged. I dunno this is a weird one for me. Artists have the right to cancel a commission when they want but with designing a character it becomes a little shakier because you effectively took their concept and claimed it as your own and are only deleting it due to the backlash. 

I will add their harassment of you is completely uncalled for and they shouldn't be making unfounded accusations or sending people to harass you. Nor should they be attempting to resell a design they never actually paid for.

This is a messy situation all around. 

1 hour ago, VosurAekira said:

While I'd agree with you pertaining to blacklisting after the issues of the first commission, it wouldn't be known about things from the start unless there's been a reputation going around. It wasn't until after the invoice was paid that his behavior started to show from the way it looks.

I mean the fact his behavior was bad enough that Pebbles refunded him after the first commission (there's two commissions mentioned in this post), that itself is a huge indicator of potential future problems and he should have been blacklisted right there. 

I know we all like to be super forgiving of people's behaviors, especially when money is involved because a lot of us are starving artists, but we should still be mindful of red flag behavior and protect ourselves. 

Man what a horrible situation all around. They're so disrespectful of your art and I would have charged them extra for all the changes. The fact you went in and redid the background to fit the image is so above and beyond. 

The flipflopping also sounds like they were showing it to a friend for an opinion, but unfortunately friends tend to not give honest opinions on situations like this and were likely reinforcing their opinion that it was 'rushed'. It's such a shame because it's a REALLY beautiful piece and their behavior towards you was uncalled for.

I was told by someone over Discord that they are now switching over names to https://twitter.com/Belle_Nouveau (from @/jbeauregardent) and Belle_Nouveau over Discord. I figured it may be important to keep the beware up to date with recent pseudonyms. They're still using their previous FA account name and TH name but it's possible they may switch them too in the future. 

On 11/30/2019 at 1:01 PM, LorelTheBison said:

That may be, yes, but still should be fixed. It's a commission. Paid work for a customer. Said paid work has to please said customer. Means that if to the customer a shape of a finger looks off, you change it - or more, in this case, give the chance to have it changed. Every artist can f*ck up some anatomy here and there (in fact most popufurs draw the worst anatomy on the entirety of FA..) and has to be open for feedback on that and ready to fix something about their work without being offended. Those fingers we are talking about are not drawn wrongly because it's "the artists style" or something alike, so they have no right to call that request rude or deny it. Nitpicks aren't something to play down; it could mean a lot to the customer. When I order a commission for myself or a friend, I am hellishly nitpicky myself because I want to like the outcome and I want it to be perfect. And if a hand is positioned weirdly, I want to be able to say that and have it fixed.

I dunno, I disagree. A person should be aware of the artist's skill level and style before approaching them for a commission. The way the fingers/arms are drawn appear to be how they draw in general, and it's also a difficult pose to pull off with foreshortening. Even some of the most skilled artists can fuck it up (and I've had to draw similar poses and it isn't easy). Complaining/critiquing an artist's anatomy after you commissioned them does seem like nitpicking when you should have already been aware of how they draw and their level of skill going in.

If I were expected to draw things perfectly that I don't have the skillset for and then being critiqued/nitpicked over it, that would turn me off from that client and I would refund them. Particularly because a lot of commissioners don't know what they're talking about and often ask for things that are impossible or give inappropriate/wrong critique. 

Asking for changes to missing colors, markings, etc is one thing. But telling someone that you don't like x body part is drawn is another thing (and can be VERY vague and unhelpful anyways). 

That refund policy is really weird and absolutely shady. They don't get to keep a partial amount on work not done. That's not how it works. Them conveniently having it align with the PayPal dispute window is really suss. 

I also don't understand their refusal in adding the white outline and shadow? That's really easy to do and takes like five seconds using selection tools. It's pretty obvious they just wanted you out of their hair as fast as possible.

On 11/28/2019 at 4:59 PM, flucket said:

Telling you that you will be blacklisted for getting a refund.

This one actually doesn't surprise me. I've had people contact me about refunds who said they were afraid to ask because they didn't want to be blacklisted (I don't blacklist over refunds). It seems to be a semi-common practice. 

21 hours ago, flucket said:

I do think spamming their twitter beware with replies to this beware constitutes as harassment.

I actually agree. That was excessive and would be no different than spamming someone's FA shoutbox with the beware link. While I understand OP's frustration, they were definitely veering into harassment. 

I agree that the artist should have made it clear that the YCHs would be flat colored, and the artist already said they accept fault for not being clear on that so I feel that them being blamed for the commissioner's behavior afterwards isn't conducive. 

On 11/15/2019 at 2:41 PM, SCPReject said:

the mouths on the tail look borderline unfinished and rushed

This is personally hard to judge. The artist may be inexperienced and not know how to approach/draw the mouths. For the level of flat-colored commission, they look "finished" to me.

On 11/15/2019 at 2:41 PM, SCPReject said:

and the character is missing its ear piercings and collar.

The commissioner should have been clear that those details are mandatory.

On 11/15/2019 at 2:41 PM, SCPReject said:

then had the audacity to say the commissioner would need to pay "Editing Fees" if they wanted anything else changed

They fixed the one actual error on their part (the tail color) free of charge. Personally I would have charged more for them demanding more goo because it means editing the lineart and adding more colors which is time consuming, especially when the character already has "goopy" details.

I don't know the artist's TOS, but in mine I tell people I don't send WIPs unless specifically requested because I tend to do pics in one go (and I post WIPs publicly and stream), and I charge extra for any edits that are not missing markings/colors/etc. 
 

The commissioner demanding a full refund for finished work is poor behavior no matter how you look at it. They got the art they paid for. While the artist wasn't clear on how detailed the art would be, they still completed it and even made the changes the commissioner asked for. The artist deserves to be paid for their time regardless of how unhappy the commissioner might be that it isn't a higher level than what they paid for. 

First of all, there is no such monthly fee through Paypal. I operate a business account and have been using Paypal for well over a decade, there has NEVER been any such fee. That is a really weird thing to lie about unless it's to guilt trip people into sending via friends/family as a "oh Paypal already fees me, so you don't have to send as a goods/services :(". Obviously as others pointed out, you are not responsible for her Paypal fees and she could get reported to Paypal for skimming off the top like that. 

Secondly, that is such an extreme response to such a small and minor change and I really don't like how she treated you when it's your character being drawn.

As an aside I, personally, don't really catch what the issue is with the nose because red pandas do have sort of "thick" muzzles and large noses proportionate to their size, and that absolutely could be a stylistic thing and how she approaches red panda faces. The only real difference I see between the sketch (that you were happy with) vs the finished product is that the sketch had a big circular nose while the finished product has a smaller heart-shaped nose. 

Her behavior was absolutely awful though, she should never have reacted that way and if it was such an issue, an edit with a fee would have been a good middle ground for both of you.

Disappointing but not surprising. I remember years back Voegal had issues with delivering commissions and would repeatedly and constantly disappear and reappear on FA. 

This is one of the nastiest things I've ever seen someone do. How utterly disgusting and disrespectful. I'm glad it was resolved by both the artist and FA admins. 

Just letting everyone know this has been resolved as of now with a full refund. 

2 hours ago, flucket said:

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They've posted a lot of unnecessary information about their upbringing on Twitter regarding the situation as well as continuing the mention the anxiety. I grew up in poverty and an abusive home too and I'm always extremely aware of my finances, how much money I have, where it came from, and where it's going.  They've also been oversharing their mental health problems with me over Discord, which I told them really wasn't relevant to the transaction issues. They've told me it's not really a "blackout" as much as it is suppressing emotions surrounding things they do that is "bad" and/or "embarrassing", which to me speaks volumes and tells me that it was intentional and they knew it was wrong but proceeded forth with both transactions anyways. 

1 minute ago, rikki said:

I'm not sure if the design has also been traded in addition to the double sale you're involved in?
They're posting designs they've gotten in trades for sale and they make note of the value of a Poofylion design being the reason for the cost?
 

Its kind of confusing so I sincerely hope they didn't try to dupe THREE people in to taking this design? They're going about this in a really uncomfortable way with their emotional manipulation.
Were you able to file a chargeback for this purchase, or were you refunded at all?
On top of that, I think, given the situation, it may be worth actually reporting them to TH staff because this is very much a scam and that's a LOT of money to "accidentally" get twice over.
You cannot feign ignorance and blame your mental health as the reason for this when there's quite a bit of proof against them.

I sent Celestina an update to add to the post later, but I have gotten $195/400 so far. Unfortunately I have no idea if the trade had to do with the same PoofyLion design or a different one but I've had people imply to me that they've been involved in other shady deals.
I don't like the mental health excuse myself because I have pretty extreme anxiety and severe depression and I never pull stuff like this or use it as an excuse in regards to business transactions. 

4 minutes ago, blkvkt said:

Honestly i think they should refund both people because, as you feel, the entire situation is just sour. And thats not okay. But i guess its up to the other person if they even want one. I dont know the seller personally but this sounds like something someone would keep doing, so as far as what i know of the fandom and how bad things can get they could have easily sold it to more than just you two and it would be safer for everyone to get their money back.

 

Thats just my two cents and im really sorry you had to go through all of this, bourb.  Thats way too much money to make an oops over, you dont forget when someone sends you hundreds of dollars. Doesnt much sound like an accident, but i hope you fully get your money. Its the least they could do.

The other person was very invested in the character and I don't think they'd want a refund for her, the original owner also got involved at one point and was extremely upset as well by this entire situation. The whole thing shouldn't have happened. 

7 hours ago, armaina said:

/cut

I dunno if you're confused but I'm not defending Lemonbrat or part of their group, I was just saying that suit reads way more as feline than what Camaro received. I wasn't necessarily saying it's more accurate of a big cat either, just that it's clearly feline while Camaro's head is obviously a rodent head, and the tail is much thinner and more accurately represents a feline tail than the one Camaro got.