Efsher

Hello everyone!
I'm happy to say with my heart light that the conflict is resolved.
Raven did cancel the chargeback and this didn't cost me anything. She also agreed to place a resized copyright back for the time being, as the species of the character is going to be changed.
I'm glad to accept the apologies and want to apologise for my hotheaded actions in return. I learned a lot from this situation.
As well as I'd like to publically confirm that I did offer Raven and her mate my help with changing the reference (and working on the new species looks if need be).
I would also like to thank everyone who supported me through this conflict. Every each one of you is the best.

8 hours ago, Ravensmoon666 said:

This is probably going to be my only reply to this post as I knew when in opening the case Artist Beware would not agree with my actions as I've seen how they react to things many times.

As AsylumPatient said above, I was under the impression if I was given the PSD (as well as given the exact font and size) I had permission to edit it.

I removed Adiago's credit because of two reasons, I never gave permission for it to be writen in my original commission, and I never wanted the name of the woman who in herself still owes me 370$ along with months of abuse and harassment.

Efsher and I have always been fine, no issues and this was my second time commissioning her. Things only blew up until I went to commission her a third time and she told me that I could continue to use her artwork but she had someone come to her about the drama between Adiago and I and she didn't want to work with me again.
I tried explaining my side as I had no idea what had been said and hadn't and linked her my beware on Deviant art and showed her the beware I had written as well as Adiago's Kiwifarm threads since it had more proof than I had and told her she if she changed her mind she could message me. She reaffirmed that she didn't want to take sides. Okay, cool. I was upset but I let it drop and marked her off as an artist I could commission.

I had somethings with Adiago pop up, as I had been trying my best to ignore her after almost a year of dealing with and she wrote Tweets about how I stole from her, so on an so forth. I had enough and had been wanting to remove the credit that had been bugging me since I commissioned my reference and removed it. I'd never had an artist in all of my years of commissioning give out the PSD's and font sizes if it wasn't for text changes. So I assumed it was okay.

Efsher noted me weeks later and commented how I took Adiago's name off the reference, and said it 'wasn't cool to remove credit.' I hadn't Efsher's credits and assumed one of Adiago's followers must have saw it and messaged Efsher about it (maybe the same one who noted her back then). I went silent because I'm not good at conflict and I wasn't sure what to say and after talking it over with my mates and friends I just let it drop as well.

I wasn't given a warning that she would file a takedown if I didn't answer her or revert the piece, I should have answered her but I didn't and I take fault.

As said above, I did not remove Efsher's credit, I would not remove artist credit and it's even seen by if you go back to my original referencesheets of Eclipse that I haven't even removed Adiago's.

https://gyazo.com/ab5b94e3422cbe4cc195f1d98cd15e62 I was told it was removed for "unauthorized use", I even disputed with writing a ticket in response showing where I had proof of use and Furaffinity held strong.

I do not really use any Website other than Furaffinity, having it taken down from my gallery without warning and no further discussion isn't right either and the reference is basically useless to me if I cannot use it there. I know many will not agree with how I handled things and I second guess myself as well but again.

I paid 570$ for a reference I'm not allowed to use on the Website I conduct all of my art related business with all over credits to an abusive woman who still will not let things go even when I do 'play by her rules' because she hates me.

I know people won't agree with me, I'll take this Artist Beware in and accept full fault but I at least want my side on here for anyone who does read.

 

I actually tried to contact you yesterday but then I saw I was banned which is actually a sad thing.
I'm more than happy to solve this situation with small blood any time.
I'll just re-type something I had to say, okay?
As an artist, I do not understand complete copyright removal, whatever the situation may be. I've had some issues where mutual hate and closed species are involved, and it just ended peacefully. We never get in contact, they keep the closed species characters and do not try to remove the credits or steal the species. I wish it could be that easy for you.
If you ever consider changing your character's species I'm more than happy to implement the changes to the reference.
I also thought to offer making the copyright very very transparent somewhere on the image so you won't pay any attention to it. You should've said something about it when I sent you the final variation.
So to say, you have my permission to use the reference with the due credits given somehow, I keep telling about it within our PayPal discussion or here.
I might have been hot headed to take the image down without any warning, which I'd like to apologise for if the situation solves.
I'm also really sorry to hear you're being attacked in twitter like this. I don't think this is okay, but some people said everything about it above, I don't think I should repeat it.

25 minutes ago, AsylumPatient said:

Not to necessarily question too much but if a PSD was given with the right to change information presented (I would assume such since the fonts used were also provided) unless it’s stated in your TOS or the agreement with Raven that she can’t remove the species credits, where is the problem? I could have honestly missed something but i don’t see a DMCA or any takedown warning and after being refused further work with her drake and then being DMCA’d I can kind of see why she would chargeback the work? As far as I can see she didn’t break any terms of the artist’s and then had her artwork forcibly removed by them

 

The Adiago stuff is a whole other issue entirely I feel like. I don’t know, just looking at this objectively I don’t really feel like Raven did anything wrong beyond not responding when the artist mentioned being concerned. Even that seemed more friendly or casual than ‘return the credits please or I will have the artwork forcibly removed’

 

While I gave Raven the PSD files, I did not give her permission to remove the credits I placed. As per my commission prices, all edits after a finished image are $5 more. I would have been willing to make any edits, but I was not going to remove the credits to Adiago. I did not appreciate her editing my work without my permission, and messaged her about it. I gave her plenty of time to reply and even waited to see if she would change it back too. She can still upload the originals still if she wants. Because she wasn't responding and FurAffinity staff said as the artist I could have the images removed I went that rout. I was also worried if I gave her a warning I'd get another response like I got telling her I wouldn't draw her drake anymore. I wouldn't had even made the post if she didn't file a chargeback and placed me in the negatives...