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  • Rallan
    • Who: 0-ruff
      Where: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/0-ruff/
      https://t.me/oruffsstuff
      https://www.buymeacoffee.com/fuchsin
      https://boosty.to/katera
      When: 03/21/2025
      What: YCH
      NSFW Content

    On March 21, 2025, I won a collab YCH slot from 0-ruff at the bid of $95. The payment per the auction description was to be done on Boosty or Hipolink, which I have used with other artists in the past and am familiar with the platforms, so I had no issues placing a bid with these conditions.

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    Despite the bid being made in USD and Boosty showing USD amounts, 0-ruff insisted in payment being made in rubles. I informed 0-ruff that I was unable to make the payment in rubles as Boosty would only permit me to do payments in USD and asked if this was acceptable. I have always done business with Russian-based artists on Boosty like this with no issues in the past and saw no reason this time would be any different. 

     

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    To my surprise, 0-ruff tried to make an argument that Boosty has its own currency exchange rate (?) and that I should pay $98 instead of the $95 bid I placed. I was unsure about this since this didn't sound right, but I made the payment for $98 regardless and sent my information. 

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    0-ruff then claimed that they did not receive the full payment amount and insisted I pay them more. I was confused because I had already paid more than my winning bid for the YCH and had the receipt showing it, so I questioned them, repeating that Boosty shows payments in USD and I had made the full payment they asked for. When I went to go check on Boosty again, I noticed 0-ruff had then upped the payment from $98 to $100 after I had paid. I confronted 0-ruff about this and provided screenshots of my completed payment, their updated price, and the Google currency exchange (which they claimed to be using) which showed I had already paid the full amount they asked for. 

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    0-ruff continued to make some claims about currency exchanges not being stable and that each platform has its own currency exchange rate (?) and that they only used Google's exchange, which also showed I had made more than the payment I needed to. At this point, I no longer felt that 0-ruff was following fair exchange rates and business practices and confronted them about it and asked for a refund, as I did not trust them to not continue to ask for more money or hold the artwork hostage in exchange for more money. They had already proven they were just charging whatever they felt they could get, regardless of the initial bid or auction rules and I no longer wished to do business with them. 

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    0-ruff pushed back and refused to refund the paid amount or acknowledge the retraction of my bid. I repeated that I no longer felt this was a trustworthy exchange and did not wish to continue to work with them based on these principles and a lack of trust. I ultimately had to threaten to do a report and chargeback to get a response from them. 0-ruff continued to refuse a refund, called me unstable for calling them out on uncharging my original bid, and then blocked me without further discussion. 

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    Following this, 0-ruff then hid my bid on the YCH auction and continued to take bids for the slot despite not refunding me the money I had already paid to them. I am now having to work with my bank and Boosty to get the money charged back as a fraudulent charge. 

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    This was my first and last time dealing with 0-ruff. 

    [Item removed by Moderation (Eden) due to unfounded claims that we would have not permitted.]

    Edited by Eden
    Removed 3rd party image, censored 3rd party bids. tagging for approval. - removed third party claims at the end of the post, downgraded to Caution




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    Ruff

    Posted

    I didn`t do a refund because on boosty the payer initiates the refund. You`re basically blaming me outloud for the thing I cannot do lol. And instead of a proper conversation in order to clarify how exactly you can get your money back you made a post on me)) so mature (no)

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    Eden

    Posted

    6 hours ago, Ruff said:

    I didn`t do a refund because on boosty the payer initiates the refund. You`re basically blaming me outloud for the thing I cannot do lol. And instead of a proper conversation in order to clarify how exactly you can get your money back you made a post on me)) so mature (no)

    Please see my comment below.

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    Eden

    Posted

    Howdy.

    This is Eden stepping in.

    I've been largely absent due to irl, so this post falling through the cracks is on me as I'm the one with the most experience using sites to pay Russian artists.  I commission Russian artists almost exclusively.

    I'm sorry this post was not handled with the usual care that we expect for Artists Beware.


    To the client:

    • The sites DO have their own internal exchange rates.  Ruff was not lying about this.  Some of the artists I work with regularly tell me which site is more favorable to them at the moment I am paying them.
    • Conversion rates change daily.
    • There should have been some grace here with the fact that the artist is ESL.  I've found when it comes to translating, things can end up sounding more harsh than intended.
    • It's dependent on your bank, but you can pay in RUB sometimes.  Your bank may do the conversion for you with a small fee.  Paypal via Lavatop will do the conversion for you.

    To the artist:

    • If you want to make sure you do not lose so much money in the exchange by having clients pay in RUB, then you NEED to advertise that on your auction.  It is easy to understand why a client would be upset if they are suddenly paying more than what they bid.  Even a simple note like "Payments are only accepted in RUB, which means you may end up paying more than your bid."
    • You can send refunds on Boosty.  It requires your client making an "artist" profile, and you can pay them like they would pay you.  Telling clients to "charge it back" themselves is dangerous for you and them as Boosty can terminate both of your accounts.

    Overall:

    • This post is staying online, but downgraded to a Caution due to the issues with not advertising the correct currency.
    • I have removed the claims at the end of your post.  Normally we would have asked for you to remove this as it's both third party reports and unfounded unless proven.  Either way, these complaints seem to stem from a misunderstanding on how these platforms operate.
    • I am approving the artist's comment so that there is no accusation that we are hiding their criticism.
    • I am leaving this comment to take responsibility and outline what changes we made.


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