Eden

4 minutes ago, Rendrassa said:

Made public. Available knowledge to members so that we can avoid receiving payment from a known scammer.

Oh!  He claims the account is deleted, but Paypal allows numerous emails to be associated with an account anyhow.  We're not in the business of releasing personal information, but if we did he could easily just change out the primary email address.

Edit:  I also don't think Paypal would do that either as that could be a big legal no no.

5 hours ago, Rendrassa said:

I know this is being done through the bank, but the scammer is using one PayPal account to originally commission the artists. That's why I wondered if the PayPal account would ever be released so artists can avoid the whole start of this mess.

Sorry, what do you mean by "released"?

Just now, RTKobold said:

Though with all these charge-backs from the bank wouldn't said bank be suspicious about this?

From the conversations here it sounds like it was a block of transactions reported.  This isn't abnormal if a CC was reported as stolen. We still don't know if it was his CC or not.

3 hours ago, Rendrassa said:

Is there no way to file a complaint with PayPal over this person doing so many chargebacks? It should be illegal to use their site this way and reprimands to users who abuse their system.

It's not through PayPal. It's through their bank, which Paypal has no control over. The most they can do is remove the $20 chargeback fee.

A good way to distinguish if it's a chargeback vs a dispute is that a fee is involved with a chargeback.  A dispute is handled through PayPal and doesn't involve fees.

I don't understand why he keeps saying "I need to make an account".  There is no "account" with Zelle.  The major US banks all came together and decided to make Zelle their bank-to-bank transfer system.  It's right here in my WF account, no Zelle account necessary.

This whole fiasco is incredibly fishy.

10 minutes ago, UAZ469 said:

Seriously, won't PayPal get curious of someone who seems to do an unusually high number of chargebacks?

Yes and no.

If there is a repeated history of disputes and claims through an account, then they may consider abuse of their dispute and claim system.

However in this instance it's a chargeback, which is handled by the credit card company not PayPal.  Artists are reporting the reason is unauthorized use. Issuing chargebacks on a large amount of transactions in a time frame is "normal" for unauthorized use.

With that said we don't know if he truly took someone else's CC or if he's trying to get out of paying his CC bill.

Someone pointed me to this on Twitter, and what's more likely is that they used a CC they didn't have authorization to use or spent a lot of money and have buyer's remorse.  Either way various banks have ways of filing chargebacks, and all of them require you to either fill out a form or contact someone.  So it's definitely not out of nowhere, a "glitch", or an "accident".

1 hour ago, Bourbon said:

 

On top of that, his character is stolen from AnubisLivess (I made comparisons and can provide some if admins want, every detail is the same except one arm tattoo being removed and horns being added). 

Please don't! We only accept character theft posts if it is the exact same character, and aren't here to judge how similar characters are to each other.

10 minutes ago, rikki said:

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It was asked to be excluded by us because the telegram chat in question had a lot of third parties in it, and we were unsure of the level of privacy this chat had or has.

It isn't anything different than the journal other than other users and the artist calling the OP names. OP was never directly named. The artist called OP an "idiot".  The artist was frustrated that the PayPal dispute could put their account in jeopardy due to the no adult rule for paypal.

Edit: refreshed myself on the chat, so it's more accurate now.

Just now, Rionquosue said:

attempts to slander me 

I'm curious what part of what the artist said was false, and when did they publicly name you?

Slander (in this case libel as it"s written) is not "someone said things I don't like about me". It's specifically "someone said something directly about me that is false to specifically financially harm me."

As a moderator it's our job to be as impartial as possible, but nothing the artist has said is libel. You attempted to gain the entirety of the amount back, and you most certainly are not entitled to that.

Also 26 hours is still a short amount of time. She's right. Not everyone is available constantly or consistently. I've easily pulled 16 hr shifts at work and can take longer than 26 hours to respond. 

Yes it was originally submitted as a beware, but we downgraded it. There's no way this qualifies for a beware. The like feature is disabled for mods, but I'm in full agreement with Armaina.

This is one of those weird ones where I personally see what you indicated in your reference sheet, but can also see how the second fix would be debatable.  I would definitely suggest making a close up detail shot of those as a quick go through of your gallery shows that it's done in a variety of different ways.

Hiya.  It's stated in multiple places that we do not delete posts ever.  It would defeat the purpose of our archives.  Posts are marked as resolved.

6 minutes ago, Alkraas said:

Zelestin's phone number is visible on the Paypal screenshot~

Other than that, I'm very sorry this happened to you, OP. Sadly, you're far from able to dispute the payment via Paypal, since it's been much longer than 6 months. Here's to hope you somehow get a refund.

Sweet jesus that's on me for working this beware before coffee.

If you see something that major please dont leave a comment. File a report or PM me. I almost didnt check my email because it was just a comment notif.

A post has been hidden because it appears to contain personal information.  As a note we do not allow irl names.  If there is definite proof the artist goes under different names, feel free to contact one (1) moderator with absolute proof it's the same person.

Proof includes:

-  Same images

-  Same public emails

-  A public notice the account is a side account.

Unacceptable proof is:

-  "Same style"

29 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Please could you provide any proof that shows the it is me doxing you? I dont se any relation that the person saying that they doxed you by sending a link is me. Claiming that that is me without profing it isnt nice. 

This comment is being approved so we can publicly state that we do have internal proof via our rejected archives that you two are the same individual.

Trunch submitted it, but it was asked to be withheld because the person you're commenting to can't consent to being included on a beware.

8 minutes ago, Raggedy said:

Update: Hours after posting this Fen broke their silence with me and told me that I can have the character back, and apologized for the trade going sour. I still say beware as it still happened, and I believe the only reason they broke silence is because of public eye.

We will mark this as resolved, but it will still retain the beware tag.

Cknsausage is correct.  You can pull the character from them and resell it/ retrade it at any time.  Especially if they're going to ignore you on this trade.

The most recent comment was hidden simply because it's not particularly good advice legally.  This situation is more of a civil matter than a criminal one, but Alex has privileges to see hidden comments so it's his decision to follow through.